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From my initial reading on this, the editing tools provided are not as robust as Aperture. If this is the case, I'd be disappointed.
 
You can still use iPhoto. Nobodies deleting off of your computer.

I'm sorry, I am thinking of iPhoto, which was not free when I obtained it, I had to pay for both the Mac and iPhone version, and the iPhone version does not work on iOS8....


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Photos will still act just like iPhoto does now. My iPhoto is set to download all my photos from the stream locally on to my computer via stream. It will still function that way. However those that want all of the photos from their computer available on all devices will have the option of purxhasing that option.

All these articles seem to express how great the new Photos app is. The truth is that for the large majority of people who would want to use it - they will be now forced to pay a monthly fee to sync their photos via iCloud.

Apple only provides 5 GB of free cloud storage. I don't know anyone who has 5GB or less of iPhotos storage.

While I am a fan of most Apple technologies - I am not a fan of having to pay a monthly forever just to sync my photos to my other devices.

Please change the headlines to these glowing reviews to "Photos Will Require Monthly Subscription for 99% of Users for Syncing Photos"
 
Maybe this is the case. However, from the outset this software seems highly dependent on iCloud for full functionality.

The basic truth is that I do not trust iCloud with my photos. Music? Sure. Phone contacts, syncing app preferences? Why not. But my photos?

This is the most precious data I have. Nothing else even comes close. My music collection is replaceable. Photos are not.

Without this trust, this software becomes nearly useless. I can use it for "messing around" but not to seriously store my photos. The approach seems to be putting the "master copy" on iCloud. NO WAY! The master copy needs to be on the computer. Every other copy should be a backup of it.

That's the fundamental problem for me, and I'm sure many others. We're not willing to risk our photos; they are too precious. If I had to lose ALL my personal data except ONE kind, I'd pick photos to be that exception.
This is exactly how I feel. There isn't a chance in hell that I would trust my dSLR photos to this app. As I just said in a previous reply, iCloud is simply unreliable. It needs to be rock solid 99.99% of the time. Right now I'd say it's around 80-85% reliable which in turn makes it a no go for my most important data (of any kind).
 
********. Read the various reviews and such online from different sites. You can opt to have photos save a full red copy on a computer while electing not to use the iCloud service and just leverage the same functionality you have now the last 1000 photos in your camera roll available on all devices. It's only the option of syncing back from your computer to your iOS devices that you need to buy iCloud storage for...

It absolutely is dependent on iCloud, that's the whole point of calling it iCloud Photo Library. For the mass public, this is perfect for them but it WILL not please everyone, especially those who doesn't want the cloud storage. For these people, you can use Adobe's Lightroom or find a different app.

The fact of the matter is, Apple does not tailor to people like you. They tailor to the mass public that does not care about where the master copy is, as long as it is backed up and in the cloud.

For many, the secure place is in the cloud. Majority of users do not back up their data, do not even think about doing 3 backups (two local, one remote) and so on. For these people, the safest place is in the cloud where Apple can back up multiple times and store in different data centers to ensure one data center going down does not lose the photos for good. For these type of users, they may only have one iOS device and not use any computers. They lose that device or lose their sole computer with no backups, iCloud Photo Library will still have their photos.
 
From my initial reading on this, the editing tools provided are not as robust as Aperture. If this is the case, I'd be disappointed.

Did Apple ever say this photos app was intended to replace Aperture? Seems to me it's a replacement for iPhoto. Did iPhoto have robust editing tools like Aperture?

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When did Apple say Photos was an Aperture replacement? My understanding is it's an iPhoto replacement.

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Agreed.

It's completely weird as we were initially told the new application would have us Aperture users covered.

When did Apple say this?
 
Did Apple ever say this photos app was intended to replace Aperture? Seems to me it's a replacement for iPhoto. Did iPhoto have robust editing tools like Aperture?

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When did Apple say Photos was an Aperture replacement? My understanding is it's an iPhoto replacement.

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When did Apple say this?

When Photos was introuced.

"With the introduction of the new Photos app and iCloud Photo Library, enabling you to safely store all of your photos in iCloud and access them from anywhere, there will be no new development of Aperture," said Apple in a statement provided to The Loop. "When Photos for OS X ships next year, users will be able to migrate their existing Aperture libraries to Photos for OS."
 
When iCloud can offer:

1TB Storage for the same price as Dropbox

Family sharing that actually let's my family share a centralised database.
(i.e. Sharing storage options for Photos and iWork doesn't work. I can't collaborate with iCloud on say, a Numbers document. I can share a dropbox folder with my wife just by her logging in to my shared folders. Any edits she makes are synced to the original file.

Choose which albums, events, or whatever you want to call them are synced back to certain devices so you don't fill up your iPhone in 5 seconds if you have a large library.
e.g "Only sync iPhone photos" or "Do you want to switch off visibility/syncing to this folder/event/whatever?"
Tick the box, move on - only download what you want to see on your device.

Prices are wrong, and Family sharing needs to be collaborative using the cloud as a central database.

I'd pay for it - in fact I already do with dropbox. Apple needs to sort this 'feature' out.
 
Did you even read the article or any of the forum posts...?

I'm a Realtor. I take lots of photos of lots of houses. I bring them into my iMac and iPhoto and from there I auto create an Event which would be "Photos for 123 Jones Street". Then I have the option of selecting Quick Fix, Effects or Adjust. I don't understand why Apple has chosen to do away with these options. Where will all of my Events go? Will they be turned into Albums automatically? You can split or join Events. Will you be able to do the same with Albums.

I also don't like the fact that it's either all or nothing. If I want to do the iCloud backup I should be asked every time I take a photo if I want to "upload to iCloud". There are lots of photos I use in business that I see no reason to make available to my iPhone or iPad. And the same with more personal photos. We should always have a choice. Maybe we will but from what I have read so far it doesn't appear that way.

Too often Apple gets rid of a tried and test program and replaces it with something new that isn't always as good as what they are getting rid of. If you are going to bring a new product on the market it should be to add features, not get rid of the ones that millions of users have used and appreciated for many years. Change just for the sake of change is not good. I'm sure there are some improvements but don't throw the baby out with the bath water!

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If I understood you correctly you are saying that all of the thousands of photos I have taken are now going to be not only stored at iCloud.com but on each of my iOS devices? That's doesn't make any sense. I shouldn't have to use up valuable space on my iPhone and iPad in order to use the new Photos with its iCloud.com integration. I hope that you are wrong.
 
I skimmed through most of the posts but was trying to understand if this is a solution to a very specific problem. My wife and I both take lots of photos of our daughter, and usually share them with family using a photo stream. However we both have separate libraries on our respective machine. With this allow us to unify our libraries and keep our library in sync across our respective apple IDs?

i.e if my wife takes a photo, it shows up on my photos.app library - and vice versa?
 
When Photos was introuced.

Yes they said users would be able to migrate their libraries. But when did they say the new app would have feature parity with Aperture? All I can find is a statement an Apple rep gave to Ars Technica.

https://www.macrumors.com/2014/07/01/photos-editing-effects-plugins/
When asked about what Aperture-like features users can expect from the new Photos app, an Apple representative mentioned plans for professional-grade features such as image search, editing, effects, and most notably, third-party extensibility.

To me what stands out there is, first, the word "plans" which to me indicates that more features could/will come to the app over time, and third party extensions.

Shawn King tweeted this yesterday:
. @peelman @Angry_Drunk @BenBajarin I know one or two folks on that team and they have said to me, “Be patient, grasshopper”. :)
1:22pm - 5 Feb 15

People can be upset that Apple has chosen to abandon Aperture but anyone expecting Photos to have feature parity with it (especially in the first version) seems to me had the wrong expectations.
 
Did Apple ever say this photos app was intended to replace Aperture? Seems to me it's a replacement for iPhoto.
Not in so many words. Their formulation was rather that they are retiring iPhoto and Aperture in favour of a new application called Photos.
 
I tried iCloud Photo Library Beta on my iOS devices and ran into a few issues and after a few weeks, i disabled it on my iPad and iPhone.

- the order in which pictures appeared in my albums (on iPhone) changed, and i was not able to change it back to the way i like to view them.
- multiple duplicate pictures from my devices were not merged and i had to go through 15K pictures to deleted duplicates.
- had numerous phantom albums in iCloud.com that were not synchronized to my iDevices and i was not able to deleted them on iCloud.com


To those that are using the iPhoto Beta, have you been backing up your iPhone/iPad photos to your Mac? If yes, i am sure now you have tons of duplicates (same pictures on iPhone/iPad/Mac), how is iPhoto Beta/iCloud Photo Library handling those?
 
Some early incorrect information that were deal breakers for Photos.app as a pro editing tool are now being cleared up.

- You can store your library anywhere you want, including an external drive. You can set one of your libraries to become the master system library.

Can somebody please explain, what the master system library is? Would this be possible to be used by different user accounts as a shared library?
 
Apple is going to have to pry 'Aperture' from my cold, dead hands! The day 'Aperture' is no longer compatible with an OS X upgrade is the day I permanently stop upgrading my Mac's OS. Eventually, that will mean I can't buy a new Mac (due to the OS that is included and required).

Mark

Oh ok then. I'm sure Windows 98 will still be available for you!

Why do people say things like this? Apple and the market will decide what's available, you have always been free to take it, leave it, or go somewhere else. Digital photography is changing rapidly. In five years your old Aperture running in Yosemite will be useless and whatever Photos becomes will have far more features and work with newwr formats and faster processors.

At that point, cold dead fingers or not, you'll need to move on.

Photo and other digital media asset management in the Adobe ecosystem is just as f'd up anyway.
 
Faces Feature in Photos?

I'm sorry if this was already covered in the last 11 pages, but is there any mention of the Faces feature being carried over to Photos? This is my most useful and favorite feature on my personal Mac. Having thousands of photos of my family, Faces is a life saver.
 
I'm sorry if this was already covered in the last 11 pages, but is there any mention of the Faces feature being carried over to Photos? This is my most useful and favorite feature on my personal Mac. Having thousands of photos of my family, Faces is a life saver.

Yes. It's there, under albums.
 
Maybe this is the case. However, from the outset this software seems highly dependent on iCloud for full functionality.

The basic truth is that I do not trust iCloud with my photos. Music? Sure. Phone contacts, syncing app preferences? Why not. But my photos?

This is the most precious data I have. Nothing else even comes close. My music collection is replaceable. Photos are not.

Without this trust, this software becomes nearly useless. I can use it for "messing around" but not to seriously store my photos. The approach seems to be putting the "master copy" on iCloud. NO WAY! The master copy needs to be on the computer. Every other copy should be a backup of it.

That's the fundamental problem for me, and I'm sure many others. We're not willing to risk our photos; they are too precious. If I had to lose ALL my personal data except ONE kind, I'd pick photos to be that exception.

Nobody is forcing you to use iCloud and even if you were, your master copies are on your Mac. It is just being copied to iCloud. Basically if iCloud was to go down, you still have them on your actual hard drive. I think you should take another look at your preferences.
It is also your responsibility to back up your Photos. Time Machine has been doing it for years.
iPhoto is still available on the MAS if you still don't like Photos.
 
I do back up my data. I am a systems admin and storage management is one of my specialties.

Perhaps I should play with Photos and see how it works before passing judgement; I'm just irritated with the concept of everything moving to "the cloud".

I want to manage and back up my own data. Maybe that makes me old school; if so who cares? In a few more decades I'll be an old codger who doesn't give a crap anymore and ya'll can have your cloud everything. For now, let me manage my data. :)

(yes, I'm being silly. I'm aware)

Nobody is forcing you to use iCloud and even if you were, your master copies are on your Mac. It is just being copied to iCloud. Basically if iCloud was to go down, you still have them on your actual hard drive. I think you should take another look at your preferences.
It is also your responsibility to back up your Photos. Time Machine has been doing it for years.
iPhoto is still available on the MAS if you still don't like Photos.
 
Did Apple ever say this photos app was intended to replace Aperture?
This is from Pogue's review:

However, Apple stresses that Photos is not really meant to be a replacement for the professional photo app, Aperture. At least not yet.
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/everything-worth-knowing-about-switching-to-os-x-110129491789.html

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IPerhaps I should play with Photos and see how it works before passing judgement; I'm just irritated with the concept of everything moving to "the cloud".
I would. It shows a big checkbox to disable the feature related to the concept that has you irritated. :)

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All I can say is that I'm very disappointed in the sheer lack of tools provided. The UI is horrible, with Aperture you have the library pane where you can organize your images by projects, folders albums and smart albums. I see I can create albums and smart albums but the organizational tools provided are inferior to say the least.

The editing tools seem to be rudimentary at best. I don't see any way to use plugins or external editors.

This is definitely a huge step back for those enthusiasts who wish to use a non destructive DAM tool.
 
Wait - do if I start using the new app will it duplicate my 100gig library? Will I have 200gigs of pics on my HD?

Yes. If you are using Aperture and planning to switch to Photos (although I don't know why!) you can change the Aperture library to referenced first, the the pics won't be duplicated.
 
I spent a good bit of last night importing pics and recovering from countless Photos app crashes in the process. My first impression is that I don't like this app at all. All this praise is lost on me. I find it clunky, slow, limiting and hard to organize any way but the stock auto way it handles the pics. Faces has become very limiting in comparison. It's just way too limiting to be very useful compared to several other apps. I did really want to like this, but alas it's not for me. :(
 
I do back up my data. I am a systems admin and storage management is one of my specialties.

Perhaps I should play with Photos and see how it works before passing judgement; I'm just irritated with the concept of everything moving to "the cloud".

I want to manage and back up my own data. Maybe that makes me old school; if so who cares? In a few more decades I'll be an old codger who doesn't give a crap anymore and ya'll can have your cloud everything. For now, let me manage my data. :)

(yes, I'm being silly. I'm aware)

why are you forced to keep photos in the cloud? don't check that option.
 
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