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From my initial reading on this, the editing tools provided are not as robust as Aperture. If this is the case, I'd be disappointed.

Why did you ever think it would be? "Photos" was always supposed to be a simple photo-managing tool for the average Joe... not something a photo-enthusiastic would use for editing etc.
 
This is exactly how I feel. There isn't a chance in hell that I would trust my dSLR photos to this app. As I just said in a previous reply, iCloud is simply unreliable. It needs to be rock solid 99.99% of the time. Right now I'd say it's around 80-85% reliable which in turn makes it a no go for my most important data (of any kind).

This is why I trust NO APPLICATIONS of any kind.

I always take my original image files and store them in two locations without any edits or name changes.

I then keep duplicate files in iPhoto and Lightroom. The Lightroom file system is on the cloud (OneDrive) and backup in two locations plus end of year backups that never get amended.

I will probably replace iPhoto with Photos and keep them on the cloud.

If I use an IOS device it goes from iPhoto to Lightroom. All my other digital files first go to LR and then a JPEG to iPhoto.

That is the ONLY way to get rock solid 99.99%.
 
Not in so many words. Their formulation was rather that they are retiring iPhoto and Aperture in favour of a new application called Photos.

Sure but I don't think they announced the retirement of Aperture at WWDC. If I remember correctly it was reported on Dalrymple's site about a month later.
 
All I can say is that I'm very disappointed in the sheer lack of tools provided. The UI is horrible, with Aperture you have the library pane where you can organize your images by projects, folders albums and smart albums. I see I can create albums and smart albums but the organizational tools provided are inferior to say the least.

The editing tools seem to be rudimentary at best. I don't see any way to use plugins or external editors.

This is definitely a huge step back for those enthusiasts who wish to use a non destructive DAM tool.

Seems like your expectations were not in line with reality.
 
When I right click on a photo and choose "show in finder", nothing happens. Has anyone else gotten this to work?
 
Someone posted early on that it doesn't propagate full rez photo sizes, that it limits one dimension to 2304 (? or something like that) pixels.

Is that right?!?
 
Did Apple ever say this photos app was intended to replace Aperture? Seems to me it's a replacement for iPhoto. Did iPhoto have robust editing tools like Aperture?
Yes implicitly and explicitly. Apple will be dropping any updates for the product and wanting people to transition over to photos.

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Why did you ever think it would be? "Photos" was always supposed to be a simple photo-managing tool for the average Joe... not something a photo-enthusiastic would use for editing etc.

I didn't, I'm not surprised but I am disappointed. Apple is clearly focusing on the consumer, and the enthusiast needs look elsewhere for tools that better fit their needs.

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Seems like your expectations were not in line with reality.

No actually my expectation is exactly what apple did. I was upfront in the photography forum saying that the Photo's app will be a shell of Aperture. My words held true, but that doesn't mean I can't be disappointed in the direction apple is taking.
 
What is supposed to substitute for star ratings? Or will that be added back later? I'm hesitant to switch my iPhoto library to anything that will lose all the ratings I already have.
 
What is supposed to substitute for star ratings? Or will that be added back later? I'm hesitant to switch my iPhoto library to anything that will lose all the ratings I already have.

Its quite possible that some features will be added in before it goes gold. David Pogue implied (or was it the Verge review I forget) that we may see some of that in the public beta and/or the general release.
 
I'm surprised none has mentioned it yet, so I will.

Someone needs to do this kind of reinvention of iTunes!
 
What is supposed to substitute for star ratings? Or will that be added back later? I'm hesitant to switch my iPhoto library to anything that will lose all the ratings I already have.

I asked the same thing, a few people responded around post #264 in this thread:

Posted by mickhyperion
One way would be to create star ratings as keywords...

★★
★★★
★★★★
★★★★★

Posted by acedout
Alt-[1|2|3|4]

Posted by petvas:
This is how the ratings are migrated. Photos.app creates tags for all star ratings.
 
Here's what I'm curious about:

The main thing I use my Photos app on my iPad is for storing and organizing artistic references, such as artists that inspire me or photo references. I have these sorted into albums. When I tried to import these to my Mac to back it up, iPhoto didn't keep the organization, which made a massive project for me that I don't think worked.

So, here's what I'm curious about and I don't know if anyone here will be able to answer.

1-Will I be able to import/export Albums from the new Photos app?

2-Will I need to use iCloud Photo Library to do so (as the descriptions do seem to indicate that to be the case) or will I be able to do it over USB?

Thanks any/everyone who can answer that. This has been a major pain for me and if I could resolve it, that would be amazing!

I don't see anyone has answered this. I'm still trying to figure this out but nothing seems to be addressing. Maybe it's a stupid question. But I can make playlists on my iPhone and they will sync over, right? Why not albums?
 
It feels like, from 2000 until around 2010 the Apple ecosystem was getting more and more powerful in ways that were geared towards both regular users AND professionals. Things were getting better every year.

Then recently they reversed course, and are catering exclusively towards the mass market. They used to do both, very well. This change of course is sad and annoying to a power user who has loved Apple products for so long.

I really don't want to be one of those "this wouldn't happen if Steve Jobs were still alive" people, but it seems awfully suspicious that this started happening at full tilt right after he passed, doesn't it? Steve liked BOTH regular users AND professionals and wanted to be in both markets.


The way I describe this frustration is during the mid 2000's when a client came to me with an unique project that needed creative solutions for workflows or had a tight budget for production tools I could confidently tell them yes we can do this because we're on macs using apple software. Now all too often even on run of the mill projects we are forced to constantly find ways around the limitations the Mac hardware/software and the workflows they now dictate.
 
So... You don't backup?

How would this work? You backup using Time Machine, but then you delete what's on your HD - with the full resolution pics on iCloud - but then the next time you use Time Machine it thinks you wanted your local copy deleted? Or do you mean a local, non-Time Machine backup?
 
with itunes 12, imovie, iwork and many many more i guess expecting software from apple not to get worse is unrealistic.

How is Photos worse than iPhoto? That's what I was talking about. Most hands on reviews are quite positive about this new app because they're looking at it as an iPhoto replacement not an Aperture replacement. If you expected the first version to be the latter then expect to be disappointed.
 
Can somebody please explain, what the master system library is? Would this be possible to be used by different user accounts as a shared library?

I'm curious about this as well. I'm currently backing up my machine and will try the beta update this weekend, but I suspect that in typical Apple fashion, there will be no documentation explaining that option. So any insight is appreciated. :)

If nobody answers and I figure it out later, I'll post a reply...
 
If I understood you correctly you are saying that all of the thousands of photos I have taken are now going to be not only stored at iCloud.com but on each of my iOS devices? That's doesn't make any sense. I shouldn't have to use up valuable space on my iPhone and iPad in order to use the new Photos with its iCloud.com integration. I hope that you are wrong.

Yes but there is an option to optimize photos and videos. When you turn that on, much smaller photos are stored on your device and videos only show a thumbnail. It's not until you view a specific video/photo, edit it, or share it that the full resolution photo or real video downloads to your device. Then the cache clears it when space is needed. It's all handled pretty smart in the background seamlessly.
 
It feels like, from 2000 until around 2010 the Apple ecosystem was getting more and more powerful in ways that were geared towards both regular users AND professionals. Things were getting better every year.

Then recently they reversed course, and are catering exclusively towards the mass market. They used to do both, very well. This change of course is sad and annoying to a power user who has loved Apple products for so long.

I really don't want to be one of those "this wouldn't happen if Steve Jobs were still alive" people, but it seems awfully suspicious that this started happening at full tilt right after he passed, doesn't it? Steve liked BOTH regular users AND professionals and wanted to be in both markets.

Didn't FCPX happen on Steve's watch? Something to consider too: in fiscal year 2010 Apple sold almost 40M iPhones. Now they do that in one quarter and this past quarter they almost sold double that. Apple's customer base is a lot larger than it ever was under Steve Jobs. Talk to any Apple blogger like John Gruber or Rene Ritchie and they'll tell you that Apple is resourced constrained. So it doesn't surprise me Apple is choosing to focus on the average joe over professionals.
 
This is why I trust NO APPLICATIONS of any kind.

I always take my original image files and store them in two locations without any edits or name changes.

I then keep duplicate files in iPhoto and Lightroom. The Lightroom file system is on the cloud (OneDrive) and backup in two locations plus end of year backups that never get amended.

I will probably replace iPhoto with Photos and keep them on the cloud.

If I use an IOS device it goes from iPhoto to Lightroom. All my other digital files first go to LR and then a JPEG to iPhoto.

That is the ONLY way to get rock solid 99.99%.

Agreed. I have a very similar workflow and backup system in place. I can lose two drives and still not worry. When it comes to irreplaceable data there's no such thing as too much backup.
 
People can be upset that Apple has chosen to abandon Aperture but anyone expecting Photos to have feature parity with it (especially in the first version) seems to me had the wrong expectations.

You are right. These days we have to set the bars lower and lower in respect to expectations of Apple Software.

Billions and billions of profits, a cash mountain as high as Everest and Apple develops solutions to send a heartbeat from a watch.

But we should not expect a software update or rewrite for serious or professional photographers. Probably less profitable. Or that would distract the normal consumer. And we don't want that now, do we?!

The direction Apple is taking is making me really sad. I still remember a few years ago when people commented about me using macs something like: "Apple is great for graphics, right?"

That was the conception people had about Apple. Offering outstanding hard- and software solutions for creative professionals.

Not anymore. The reasons to choose Apple over Windows or other systems are becoming increasingly harder to justify.
 
Icloud is just too expensive as photo storage for me. I could get more excited about this if it were cheaper, but it makes way more sense for use to use Flickr and a local 2tb external backup (which I would be using anyway). That's not to say the software overhaul doesn't look great.

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You are right. These days we have to set the bars lower and lower in respect to expectations of Apple Software.

Billions and billions of profits, a cash mountain as high as Everest and Apple develops solutions to send a heartbeat from a watch.

Wait, wait, WAIT. Let me just stop you right there. They're also working heavily on an emoji overhaul.
 
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