Right, but if I wanted to only use iCloud (let's say I'm using a MacBook Air with small SSD), is there a way to say "delete from SSD but kept in cloud?" Or would we need to trash our pics ourselves?
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First Impressions of Photos for OS X: 'Vast Improvement' Over iPhoto
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Right, but if I wanted to only use iCloud (let's say I'm using a MacBook Air with small SSD), is there a way to say "delete from SSD but kept in cloud?" Or would we need to trash our pics ourselves?
I think the point is you don't need to worry about this. Photos will delete photos as it needs to to maintain free space.
I have a smart album "unfiled". The rule is "Album is not any". It works the way you want All to work.
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Interesting. I'm kind of torn on this one. Any photo app that is faster than iPhoto sounds appealing. But reluctant to totally trust iCloud with my originals. But that could allow me to upgrade my old MacBook to a new MBA.
or maybe I wait until 1TB SSDs are the norm.
I must have missed something. I always struggled to control file size and dimensions on export. Even with custom i could only control with one input.
iPhoto recognizes my rescued Rabbit's face!
Really! I don't use Faces, but was on my iPad and notified a Faces album and it was only of my rabbit. Okay...
At least initially I wouldn't completely trust iCloud. If I end up using this I'll have my desktop store all of my images and have my laptop work in optimize mode.
You just know that when this thing rolls out, users are going to start losing irreplaceable data/organization... it's Apple! It happens over and over, they just shrug their shoulders, people buy the next shiny thing, the software gets worse and the cycle repeats again. The way iTunes has screwed my podcast files over the years... I want those people handling my priceless photos and albums? Let's just sit back and wait for the press release...
Agreed 110% !!! It seems like Apple will never learn how to do cloud apps and storage that actually works. How many iterations have they had now? When things get really bad they just come out with the next iteration (and remove features every time). When will people learn? I've lost far too much priceless data over the years to ever trust them again. No Apple cloud of any kind for me, thank you very much.
I think these are important questions for Aperture users, and another forum member quoted me and wanted to know too.
Can someone please answer?
You won't really like the answers. I was curious so I made a test case Aperture database and transferred it over to Photos.
All changes, such as the +0.5 exposure, any brushes, and any adjustments made that are not in Photos are brought across.
It appears that you can revert to original or made additional changes, but these are additive to the imported file. So in Photos you would not see that the exposure was adjusted +0.5 in aperture (only that adjustments were made to the original), but you could apply an additional 0.5 adjustment.
While the brush application is there, there is no indication that it was applied.
Basically you see an image (which has whatever Aperture did applied) but all the adjustment controls are in "neutral". It does seem that any adjustment controls that are optional in Photos but were used also appear but are in "neutral". There is a revert button that appears so that you can undo the Aperture editing, but you don't know what the editing was!
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That is true. The RAW fine tuning controls are not available. It works like iPhoto.
All changes, such as the +0.5 exposure, any brushes, and any adjustments made that are not in Photos are brought across.
It appears that you can revert to original or made additional changes, but these are additive to the imported file. So in Photos you would not see that the exposure was adjusted +0.5 in aperture (only that adjustments were made to the original), but you could apply an additional 0.5 adjustment.
While the brush application is there, there is no indication that it was applied.
Basically you see an image (which has whatever Aperture did applied) but all the adjustment controls are in "neutral". It does seem that any adjustment controls that are optional in Photos but were used also appear but are in "neutral". There is a revert button that appears so that you can undo the Aperture editing, but you don't know what the editing was!
You are welcome!
That is true. The RAW fine tuning controls are not available. It works like iPhoto.
Ya I don't like the answers. It almost sounds like Photos imports the preview jpg file that was generated off the RAw adjustments.
So it sounds like Apple has really abandoned true RAW editing. This should have been touched on in the preview reviews - no one mentioned this though. This is a serious problem.
One of the things I thought Photos would get me is the retention of all previous adjustments, but it really doesn't do this any better than LR does if you import the preview files and stack them.
This is really disappointing. If something doesn't change on this I think this will seal it for me, I'll be using Lightroom.
I feel the same way as you. If it is just "importing the preview JPG file that was generated off the RAW adjustments" then indeed there is basically no advantage over just giving up on Photos and importing to Lightroom.
However, it could be that it is using the RAW file and applying the Aperture adjustments (meaning the legacy Aperture code would have to be built-in to Photos) but simply doesn't display them anywhere because Photos uses a whole new adjustment architecture that is not compatible (e.g. +0.5 exposure in Aperture is not identical to +0.5 exposure in Photos).
I have an idea of how to test this for anyone who is willing. In Aperture, take a RAW photo with good exposure and way over-expose it to +2.0 so much of the photo is blown out. Then, import that library to Photos, and see if giving in a negative exposure brings back any details. If it does, it means Photos is probably working off the RAW file.
Yes, please someone do this. I'm eager to know what the results are.
Also, it would be good to know exactly how Photos is processing new RAW files. I know at one point iPhoto did make a jpg and work off that after the first edit, but I think that was changed with more recent versions. The other side of this is it is said that all edits are non-destructive, so almost by definition it can't work the same way iPhoto used to (RAW --> jpg --> jpg, etc).
I was also thinking about the WWDC Photokit session and they were talking about how so many more adjustments could be done in the RAW pipeline, the example they used is noise reduction - this is what the RAW noise reduction slider that was added to Aperture Yosemite. They did say this processing engine is used by Aperture, iPhoto, and Photos. So my point is just because Photos doesn't have a RAW Brick anymore it doesn't mean that RAW adjustments aren't being made. I'm not sure how we'd verify this though.
Thanks. I knew that was there for iPhoto. If only it were easier to find specific photos when going through that.
Couple of questions:
1. This sounds a dumb question, but now that Photos seems to have created its own library, can I safely delete the old Aperture library? I assume so, but my available dis space has only gone down by about 1GB when the new library is 50GB. (Which is about 20GB smaller than the Aperture library)
2. In the All Photos view, under the View menu, 'Keep Photos Ordered by Date' is ticked (but greyed out), but they are not in date order - am I missing something, or is this a bug? (I tried selecting all the photos to see if I could force it, but it was still greyed out).
1. This sounds a dumb question, but now that Photos seems to have created its own library, can I safely delete the old Aperture library? I assume so, but my available dis space has only gone down by about 1GB when the new library is 50GB. (Which is about 20GB smaller than the Aperture library)
2. In the All Photos view, under the View menu, 'Keep Photos Ordered by Date' is ticked (but greyed out), but they are not in date order - am I missing something, or is this a bug? (I tried selecting all the photos to see if I could force it, but it was still greyed out).
Looks like a great workflow for your iPhone photos. Not seeing how well this would work for other cameras though. What is the RAW workflow like?
And no star ratings? Seriously?
It looks like I'll continue my current scheme of editing in Lightroom and then using Apple's library management for the finished JPEGs (using Aperture for that now).
And no star ratings? Seriously?
It looks like I'll continue my current scheme of editing in Lightroom and then using Apple's library management for the finished JPEGs (using Aperture for that now).
I wouldn't. You may find yourself needing to go back to Aperture, especially since we're taking about the first build of a developer preview. Keep your Aperture library - store it on an external drive if you have too, but don't delete the library. What happens if a bug in photos corrupts the photos library, you lose your images.
True enough - although I do have a back up on my time capsule. Just wondered if it was still referencing it somehow.
Your original photos are downloaded and stored on your computer. There is nothing to lose. Explaining this over and over again is getting tiring.
The Photos app merely pushes your photos to iCloud (if you choose) and then allows them to be pushed to your iOS devices. Likewise, your iOS devices push them to iCloud and they are then pushed to the Photos app. Once in the photos app they can be stored on your Mac if you choose. The only way to lose something is to delete photos (either from your iOS device, or from iCloud.com, or from your Mac).
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Yes but they are found in the "recently deleted" area (accessed under then File menu) and as on your iOS device, they have 30 days until they are permanently deleted.
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You don't lose anything. I was in the same boat. All the photos in your iPhoto library get merged to the new Photos app. They are then uploaded to iCloud, and then downloaded to your iOS device. Likewise, those existing iCloud photos will be downloaded to the new Photos app.
You will end up with all your photos in the new Photos app, all of your iPhoto photos will remain untouched in the old app, and all of your photos will also be in the iOS app. Nothing is lost, you are merely gaining new photos because the new app now syncs your old iPhoto pictures to iCloud, which then pushes them to your iOS device.