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Don't care what it's made out of - first thing I do is put it in a case...

(Tried going case free, but found it was like trying to keep hold of a wet bar of soap! 🥴 But I might just be clumsy 😆)
 
Sounds great if it can lower the weight of the phone as well as keep the price from going up. All that is left is to give us rounded edges again and the phone would be perfect.

If they do this, which I am happy about, its probably being done to try to keep the price down (or a obvious reason).
 
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Not to mention incredibly good looking. iPhone 5/5S/SE was the peak of smartphone design IMO.
It really wasn't. In terms of form factor, the 3/3gs was the peak. Flush mount camera, rounded plastic back, far better than the weirdly angular 4/5. The 6 was MUCH better than the 5, but nowhere close to the 3.

So, if they want to build the best possible phone, 6.5" display, plastic back, no notch/pill, home button, headphone jack, flush no-bulge camera, and to make it better than everything that they've ever done before, easily hot-swappable battery. That's real design.
 
"rectangular camera bump made of aluminum rather than traditional 3D glass,"

Why does it remind me of the iPad Pro camera bump?

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It really wasn't. In terms of form factor, the 3/3gs was the peak. Flush mount camera, rounded plastic back, far better than the weirdly angular 4/5. The 6 was MUCH better than the 5, but nowhere close to the 3.

So, if they want to build the best possible phone, 6.5" display, plastic back, no notch/pill, home button, headphone jack, flush no-bulge camera, and to make it better than everything that they've ever done before, easily hot-swappable battery. That's real design.

I did mention IMO - Design is entirely subjective! We're all allowed our preference. Mine just leans more towards "Brick of metal"
 
Been an Apple fanboy for about 15 years but beginning to think Apple don’t know what they’re doing anymore. Other companies have sleek folding phones now, next year Apple will release a really thin phone and erm some new exciting aluminium casing. Sad times for a once great company.
 
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I love the 12/13 mini, but the 5 was just slightly nicer to me. Maybe it was the chamfered edges or something that the 12/13 just didn't have.
For me, it was the combination of the flat back and the home button giving the 5/SE somewhere to hold the phone that wasn't the screen. Being able to use TouchID to unlock without having to swipe was nice too. There's a lot of subjective differences, that I think made the older phones nicer than the newer ones.
 
Been an Apple fanboy for about 15 years but beginning to think Apple don’t know what they’re doing anymore. Other companies have sleek folding phones now, next year Apple will release a really thin phone and erm some new exciting aluminium casing. Sad times for a once great company.
Folding phones are a TERRIBLE idea. Unless there's some breakthrough in materials science that allows flexible glass, there will never be a good folding touchscreen.
 
I don't understand all the fuss over titanium. Apple periodically plays with titanium, and pretty quickly realizes it's not a great material. We had the TiBook, those definitely didn't hold up well, now they've tried and failed with it on phones. They periodically try it on watches, we'll see how long it lasts this phase.
 
I don't understand all the fuss over titanium. Apple periodically plays with titanium, and pretty quickly realizes it's not a great material. We had the TiBook, those definitely didn't hold up well, now they've tried and failed with it on phones. They periodically try it on watches, we'll see how long it lasts this phase.

Have they "failed" on the phones? Seems fine. Metal is metal. Same with the watches - titanium has been an option since S5, just now it's front and center.
 
Fun fact: Aluminum is the essential material of the aerospace industry. Those products, e.g. commercial aircraft, are neither “garbage” nor “cheap.”

Actually, aluminum is very inexpensive. It doesn’t stand up to drops. See a MacBook that has been dropped versus the old plastic MacBooks? The aluminum dents so easily. It feels more premium but it’s not titanium. I rather titanium or SS on my iPhone and MacBook.
 
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I wonder how the mix of back panel materials will effect repairability. Maybe the upper cameras panel can stay in place while the lower glass panel can be removed when cracked or to swap out battery.
 
I know that. My argument is they’re not premium. Titanium is premium. Aluminum dents easily. One drop and it’s dented. Dropped 15PM many times even on concrete and not one scratch.
I hit my 15P on a counter top and it's scratched. I'm surprised you have dropped it on concrete from any significant height and there's absolutely nothing, you must have been really lucky. The face of my Watch Ultra is scratched to hell, it gets dinged easier than the aluminum ones did. It looks better when it's scratched because it's the natural, but in my experience the face with titanium is no more durable than aluminum.

I like the titanium more than stainless because it doesn't get as scratched and it is lighter, but I don't see any significant difference in durability between the two other than the brushed finished not getting as scratched.
 
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Was going to upgrade my iphone 12 mini to iphone 17 pro, but if they actually do go back to aluminum makes me think if i should just upgrade now to iphone 16 pro just to have titanium. Decisions, decisions.
 
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