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First iPhone 5s Reviews: Touch ID a 'Real Advance', Two-Tone Flash Produces 'Lovely Results'

smoking monkey said:
It's only a SPEC BUMP for people with a 5. For those of us with a 4 or 4s it's a whole new level of iPhone. And for those still with a 3Gs it's gonna blow their fragile little minds.

See, it's not that difficult to understand!

If you have a 5, you don't need to upgrade as you state.
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Exactly, and Apple knows that. You are on a two year contract, so the 'S' bumps aren't really significant for you. At least not all the features.
 
daneoni said:
The fact that its still Dual Core is a little bit disappointing but understandable, it also makes the 1GB RAM more forgivable. I guess we will see doubled cores and RAM in iPhone 6.
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Appears to be the fastest phone on the market when it hits the street and it still needs doubled cores and more RAM? :rolleyes:

The speed increase is crazy in those charts. I have a 4S and it gets murdered by this new 5S. I can't wait to try one out.
 
Judas1 said:
But lets not go crazy, and call it innovative when its not.
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Apple and it's fans do NOT call all these things as 'innovative'. They are simply nice upgrades.

Only the trolls and iHaters say that Apple calls everything 'innovative', and then proceed to pick at that straw man argument.
 
Genuinely excited for this one...I've broken the old tradition and gone for the Champagne with a Stilgut "Cognac" brown case to show off the accented home button...the speed increase and better camera are the icing on the cake...Can't wait to get hands on!
 
SJism23 said:
This probably won't be a popular opinion, but I find the 5s to be one of Apple's most innovative iPhones ever.
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I still think the original iPhone was the most innovative because it literally created the modern touchscreen phone market. Sure it wasn't the first touchscreen phone, nor was the idea of a multi-touch screen unique, but it was still one of the phones that truly blew my mind because no one thought that a multitouch screen could come in such a small form factor.

In fact, Jeff Han's TED talk only occurred a year earlier in Feb 2006 and the video wasn't released on youtube until 6 months after that. I remember seeing the TED video and thinking such technology wouldn't be common until at least a few years, yet 6 months later, Steve Jobs announced the original iPhone, and no other phone at the time could even come CLOSE.

So imo, the original iPhone was soooo far ahead of its peers (mostly flip phones at the time and the occasional PDA), it wasn't even funny. The modern day phone continued to still be based on the original form.
 
doctorandrew said:
I see TouchID + NFC combo in the future of iPhones. And then those people who say TouchID is useless will all swallow their words.
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You're right. Apple got it right by going for TouchID first, THEN NFC.

NFC will become big when Apple releases it in 2014, and all the Android fans will claim 'but we had it first'. Yes, they had it first, but a bad implementation of it. Apple is the one to get it right.
 
Judas1 said:
Are people's memory so bad that they forgot about Siri? Every new iphone release has a new "innovative" feature that is buzzed about, used for a few months, then forgotten about. The iTouch is the new Siri. Sorry to rain on people's parade, but a little reality check once in a while is a good thing. A little of me actually died when I read reviews praising the 5s' spec bump (faster processor and better camera) as amazing when all new phones have spec bumps, and these same reviewers call spec bumps just more of the same for any other phone. In fact, they sometime go out of their way to state that the speed increase isn't noticeable in real life. But when it the iphone, it's the new slice bread. The iphone is a great phone, don't get me wrong. But lets not go crazy, and call it innovative when its not.
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Who has said innovative, apart of those who say it's not innovative?. These comments are so pointless....
 
unplugme71 said:
While you may not use Siri, I use it all the damn time. Most of the time I'm using it, it gets what I need done much faster (eg. scheduling tasks and appointments for clients, opening apps burried in folders, etc). I probably save 5-10 minutes per day with Siri in my work week.
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I find Siri most useful for checking sports scores - if I'm out I can just pick up the phone and say "What's the score in the United game" (as in Manchester United, for example) and it will tell me in seconds - faster than I can access an app have have it bring up the score so that's a real benefit to me. :)
 
jabingla2810 said:
You're thinking about it all wrong.

Dual core, Quad core... doesn't matter.

According the Anandtech and other reviewers, the iPhone 5s is the fastest phone on the market.

That's what matters. Not the spec sheet.
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I know that. But earlier predictions were that it was quad-core and there'd be more RAM. Hence my statement. Not disappointed about the performance.
 
Did you read the article you linked us to?

KenAFSPC said:
Anandtech debunks iPhone 5S myths

If you haven't checked it out already, the Anandtech review is a must read. It debunks several myths (64-bit is useless without additional memory, provides no noticeable improvement in performance, fingerprint sensor is a gimmick, no innovation, etc), repeated throughout this forum, including in this thread.
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Actually the article is really insightful, goes into why the move to 64Bit makes sense with regards to making the platform ready to address more than 4GB in the future.

Article said:
By the time 2015/2016 rolls around and Apple starts bumping into 32-bit addressability concerns, not only will it have navigated the OS transition but a huge number of apps will already be built for 64-bit. Apple tends to do well with these sorts of transitions, so starting early like this isn’t unusual. The rest of the ARM ecosystem is expected to begin moving to ARMv8 next year.
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They also state that moving to the new ARMv8 architecture has other noticeable benefits. Due more to architecture of the v8 than it being 64Bit, most every benchmark shows improvement over the 5. The 5s is true to the legacy of previous Xs phones, it is a highly noticeable speed bump.

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Touch ID ended up being much better than I thought it would be, and it’s honestly the first fingerprint scanner system that I would use on a regular basis. It’s a much better way of unlocking your phone. I’ve been transitioning between the 5s the 5c and the iPhone 5 for the past week, and whenever I’d go to the latter two I’d immediately miss the Touch ID sensor. The feature alone isn’t enough to sell me on the 5s, but it’s definitely a nice addition. My only real wish is that Touch ID would be acceptable as an authentication method in more places, although I understand the hesitation Apple must have in opening the floodgates.
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TouchID A gimmick?

If you are going to promote reading an other article, please take the time to actually cite it properly.
 
Pyrrhic Victory said:
What's innovative about it, other than the fingerprint sensor which has a fairly minimal functional value for most people? Iterating the processor and camera is useful but not innovative. You could make the case that IOS 7 is innovative, but that's not part of the phone; other iPhones can use it as well.
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I think the problem with your opinion is the statement "fingerprint sensor which has a fairly minimal functional value for most people". You *think* that, but don't *know* it. Time will tell. You could be right but if I was a betting man, I would bet on you being wrong. This is one of those "whatever" innovations that will be a real game changer. As always, its not about the tech but the implementation of it.
 
portishead said:
The touch sensor is going to be awesome. I just wish we could get another half inch on it.
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thats what she said...I will see myself out now.

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Pyrrhic Victory said:
What's innovative about it, other than the fingerprint sensor which has a fairly minimal functional value for most people? Iterating the processor and camera is useful but not innovative. You could make the case that IOS 7 is innovative, but that's not part of the phone; other iPhones can use it as well.
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how is it minimal functional value for most people? This is a ridiculous statement. This provides a level a security that people need on their phones that most are too lazy to deal with. Great step forward.
 
bbeagle said:
You're right. Apple got it right by going for TouchID first, THEN NFC.

NFC will become big when Apple releases it in 2014, and all the Android fans will claim 'but we had it first'. Yes, they had it first, but a bad implementation of it. Apple is the one to get it right.
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TouchID in its current implementation is pretty much useless, just like NFC was a couple of years ago when it first came out. NFC is now much more robust. My TV even has NFC connectivity built into it. I just touch my phone to the sticker and my phone is instantly connected and you can view anything on my phone on the big screen, pretty awesome! Not to mention everywhere else NFC is now. It is actually well implemented now, just like touch ID will likely become useful in a year or two as well. I just don't understand why Apple continues to wait to implement things for so long.
 
So the 5 camera was totally a flop, or this 5s camera is amazing.
Can't explain this difference. I was sure that iPhone 5 camera was "excellent", far better than 97% of other smartphones' cameras.
At least is what I've always read on Apple forums. Confused
 
TheKDub said:
I still think the original iPhone was the most innovative because it literally created the modern touchscreen phone market. Sure it wasn't the first touchscreen phone, nor was the idea of a multi-touch screen unique, but it was still one of the phones that truly blew my mind because no one thought that a multitouch screen could come in such a small form factor.

In fact, Jeff Han's TED talk only occurred a year earlier in Feb 2006 and the video wasn't released on youtube until 6 months after that. I remember seeing the TED video and thinking such technology wouldn't be common until at least a few years, yet 6 months later, Steve Jobs announced the original iPhone, and no other phone at the time could even come CLOSE.

So imo, the original iPhone was soooo far ahead of its peers (mostly flip phones at the time and the occasional PDA), it wasn't even funny. The modern day phone continued to still be based on the original form.
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I agree with you completely. That's why I said "one of the most innovative iPhones." ;)
 
sofila said:
So the 5 camera was totally a flop, or this 5s camera is amazing.
Can't explain this difference. I was sure that iPhone 5 camera was "excellent", far better than 97% of other smartphones' cameras.
At least is what I've always read on Apple forums. Confused
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From what I have seen in the article so far, the 5 Camera is great outdoors, the 5s has a slight edge on details however. Indoors is a bit of a different story, the 5s is reported to have better low light capability, and the flash doesn't wash out colors as much as it did on the 5.

In the end, the 5 still has a decent camera, the 5s will take better images, and has more functions (Burst and slow motion video).
 
bbeagle said:
NFC will become big when Apple releases it in 2014, and all the Android fans will claim 'but we had it first'. Yes, they had it first, but a bad implementation of it. Apple is the one to get it right.
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NFC is not poorly implemented on Android devices. It is robust and you can do a lot with it.
 
Lovely

So glad to hear that the 5s is "Lovely". I'm sure this is a major selling point for people who think that "elegant, sexy, magical, and delicious" just isn't enough anymore...
 
I'm guessing that quite a few people will get and hang onto the 5S as it may be the last version in this physical size and many people don't want to go 'bigger' (if rumours of a larger screen next year are true) so may get this latest A7 processor phone and keep it for longer than they normally would.
 
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