I just wanna know if the boot SDD is user-upgradable, or if it’s stuck as-is due to the T2 chip.
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You're comparing the new cheesegrater with a workstation that is dual socketed and can take 6 3.5" HDDs??? Really? 🤣
At this point, I'm laughing at prosumers. If you think you need mac pro and can't afford it and hating on mac pro...well stick with macbook pro...
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No. You can always buy afterburner later
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It's upgradable, but the docs indicate it's not considered user-upgradable (i.e. it's "meant" to be done by a certified apple tech service centre).
The reasoning for this is so far unknown, I believe. It's likely that replacement is more involved than just swapping out the module, due to the T2.
If I was still running my video editing business, I would buy one in a heartbeat. I did that with the (trash can) Mac Pro and had it paid off within 3/4's of a year.
Time is money. So the less time you spend rendering projects and spend your time being multi-tasking oriented, is a good thing. I learned that in a fantastic way. The power users out there understand.
But now I work for my wife in a different job where we own the business and justifying the new Mac Pro would be difficult lol (not impossible, but difficult for sure
Plus the 'old' Mac Pro is still great for my personal needs of photography and my own video editing (ie. not deadlines
Kudos to those who are buying. Enjoy!
Time is money. So the less time you spend rendering projects and spend your time being multi-tasking oriented, is a good thing. I learned that in a fantastic way. The power users out there understand.
But now I work for my wife in a different job where we own the business and justifying the new Mac Pro would be difficult lol (not impossible, but difficult for sure
Plus the 'old' Mac Pro is still great for my personal needs of photography and my own video editing (ie. not deadlines Kudos to those who are buying. Enjoy!
Well since the company pays and they want us to be as productive as possible the time and final results are far more important than the pricetag. And we don’t have just Apple stuff so it’s not a forum thing as you like to portrait it. One filming pro lens costs more than the base iMac, one camera costs more than maxed out Mac Pro!
I get it that some prosumers want a cheap Mac Pro. I do stuff in my free time like recording my guitar playing and doing videos, flyers, posters and websites too. But my private old maxed out 2012 MacBook Pro is still running fine and I will update it with a new MacBook Pro again. I don’t need a Mac Pro at home when the iMac and MacBook Pros are so powerful and yet expandable thanks to TB.
Apple is giving such a value for your money with everything they introduced in 2019 (contrary to the last 4 or 5?years, and except those wheels Lol) that I honestly don’t get the hate. Surely they could go cheaper but people voted with their wallets and they think the price is fair.
Plus you can maybe rent a Mac Pro for your projects if you really need one, depending on your location. This is what we do with the filming equipment.
This might come as a shock to you, but virtually every company (especially large multinationals) measure performance per monetary unit spent, not "performance at any cost"...
You'll come to accept bizarre as normal when dealing with fanboys (Apple, MS, Android)... the reality distortion field has a strong warping effect on comments
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Again, I don't think this thing is overpriced...it's just not what the widest selection of pros, and especially prosumers and enthusiasts (like me) expected in relation to price vs features.
The price alone makes it a non-starter for many, but that is because you're paying for (admittedly awesome stuff) you don't have, won't need, or want.
Compared to this machine, the Mac Pro 5,1 is a mid-range box. It scaled well towards the high end.
This thing starts at the high end, and scales into company-level, 1-percenter, or mainstream movie-studio range. This is the dream company machine for Pixar employees. It doesn't scale down to the mid-range AT ALL.
Thus, those that were clamoring for a direct Mac Pro replacement since 2013 DIDN'T get anything, and never will.
The iMac Pro is a similar response to the mid-range, so none of this should surprise anyone.
Apple WILL NOT make a machine that the user can upgrade internally without paying Apple dearly for everything anymore.
For those that want a mid-range Mac, Apple built the successor to the trash-can: the latest mini. That machine is the true successor to the Pro 5,1 because it delivers on the "external expansion" ideology that the trash can promised but couldn't really deliver in a compelling way. I believe this is the way Apple sees it. This new Mac Pro fill the high-end Pro need; a gap that the now mid-range mini cannot fill.
Personally, I'm torn between going all mini + TB3 (GPU, Drives, etc), or finding a 5,1 and maxing that out for a fraction of the cost of the iMac Pro or subsequent Mac Pros without giving up on the features I actually want. It is truly the best tower Apple will ever build, if anything because of it's ability to straddle both worlds.
No, it could ALSO mean that Apple is not building these machines in great numbers. Try might want to but not be able to. They might not want to. Either way, scarcity is not an illustration of actual customer demand unless you know how many they’re making.
You don’t know. Only Apple knows.
What time did you order on the 10th? I ordered an hour after release and mine still says “processing”, although I live in Canada so maybe it will take a bit longer.Oh yes!
Thats why they won’t allow the wheels.
The Mac Pro itself is not „performance at any cost“. It’s worth every Euro. The financial department demands savings on everything like flights, hotels and all other equipment but they allow all Macs without a question asked. This should tell something.
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Ok I think we agree that this is a great machine for high end work and it’s worth every penny if you put all that horse power to work.
Well when at home I am a prosumer too so yes I see a huge gap between the Mac Mini and the Mac Pro. But only if you look for a machine without a monitor. Because I also believe the iMac and MacBook Pro fill this space nicely and in a quite broad price range.
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Quite early- about 2 hours after it went live in the UK.
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I'm an audio pro.
The configuration I've bought is cheaper than the PCIe cards I'm putting in it.
3x Avid Pro Tools HDX cards cost about £10k.
If I expand that to 6 cards when supported it will be £20k.
My machine was £8900 plus apple care.
It isn't cheap but I can easily justify it.
I will get 6 years minimum out of this machine- or about £4 a day.
I might get 10 years out of it.
I spend more on coffee.
FWIW, I'm replacing a 2018 mini which has been fine but I just want a box I can stick everything in rather than a rash of expansion chassis and drive arrays.
The mini cost me £2k, I sold it for £1500- had it for a year, so £1.30 a day, which is fine.
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Now we wait for Pro Tools compatibly with Catalina. My new Mac Pro arrives on Tuesday, but I’ll continue to use my 2008 Mac Pro for Pro Tools until then.
I hear you.
I move between Logic and PT so I can install the machine straight away, but on a KVM, so I can switch between my current system and the new Mac Pro.
A couple of youtube reviewers showed these Mac Pro's are not overpriced (in fact cheaper) compared to peer workstations made by Dell and HP and these other workstations are underpowered compared to the Mac Pro.
Except that the most basic Dell/HP models are way-way-way cheaper allowing you to expand as your needs grow...
yet they did it before with the old school Mac Pro for a fraction of the cost. It was only the last iteration which wasn't upgradable.As I have said before - it’s fascinating watching the Apple community come to terms with the fact that Apple, by finally meeting nearly every one of their demands for a Mac Pro, has made a computer that is 100% not for them.
I hear what you're saying and I understand where you're coming from - but, to further the meme: I don't think it means what you think it means.
It didn't begin or start in 2013. It's been Apple's entire modus operandi since the start of business. That "reality distortion" field? The philosophy of "The consumer doesn't know what they want until we show them what they want." That's all a middle finger to what you, critics, developers, programmers, some industry sector, or consumers at a large want or desire. I mean, Tim Cook is criticized as being terrible and everyone wants to fire him because he's only concerned about profits -- while (posthumously, now) Steve Jobs is venerated as paragon of delivering what people wanted. i.e. Cheesegrater MacPros, upgradeable / repairable iMacs and MacBooks, but that's whitewashing.
Producing all-in-one, or fixed configuration, low spec, or too high spec computers dates back to their origins. Dropping all serial ports except original Gen1.0 USB, dropping the Floppy Drive, the CD-ROM drive, never adopting Blu-Ray, or Adobe Flash and Java in iOS, iOS install signing, refusing to allow iOS downgrades, not allowing self-jailbreaking or side loading of apps, planned obsolescence, sherlocking App Store apps, the whole "You're holding it wrong" meme of ignoring the iPhone 4 problem, being slow to adopt 3G, 4G, LTE, or larger then 3.5" screen sized iPhones: all of this was under Steve Jobs. All of that was not listening to, not understanding, and ignoring "what everyone is telling them". Of course, Steve Jobs also had a hand in iOS 6 Apple Maps (ditching Google) and the lightning connector (sure didn't stop it). I'm sure he green lit the start of the 2013 Mac Pro project as well.
2013 was not the start - Tim Cook succeeding Steve Jobs was not the start - It's been there from the very beginning. Apple as a company is going to consider their reasons and values first over the metaphorical "tribe's" reasons and values. I'm not talking memes (like being greedy) or conspiracy theories (valuing planned obsolescence) here. Apple is going to develop something that it thinks is of value. Whether it's an iPod, iPhone, iPad or Mac Pro 2013. Then they'll come back later and make changes to it if necessary. But, make no mistake what *you* want is always going to be second in mind to how Apple wants to solve problems.
It may or may not. The 2013 Mac Pro sure wasn't the first and won't be the last of Apple's products that don't hit the mark. If the Mac Pro succeeds, it's not going to be because it's the only game in town. PC critics will be more then happy to inform you of less expensive and superior servers and workstations.
And if you pay attention to reviews of Apple's new scissor key replacement for the Butterfly keyboard - it's introduction is only because they've seemingly found a better way to achieve want they wanted to with the Butterfly keyboard. That is, you'd have a 4th gen of Butterfly if it wasn't for this. Which again, Classic Apple - ignoring what *you* want and instead only tweaking what they want based on feedback from clients / customers / consumers.
I'm not saying this isn't abrasive - I'm not saying it doesn't frustrate you - or critics at large. But this is how Apple has always been. Likely is how Apple always will be.
As I have mentioned before, the situation was a lot different back then. The original Mac Pro made sense when you needed a computer powerful enough for “real work”.
Today, standard PCs have become more than adequate for the majority of computer work, even for heavy users. The iMac and iMac Pro are able to handle the majority of tasks thrown at them. Heck, even a Mac mini paired with an E-GPU can go quite the distance. It takes a very specific workflow to tax a souped-up iMac Pro and I am willing to bet that most o the people here clamouring for a headless Mac are not involved in that sort of business.
What is frustrating the Mac enthusiasts right now isn’t that Apple’s existing Mac lineup isn’t powerful enough, but that they are sealed, untinkerable boxes. This is where we realise that a lot of the perceived demand for a “pro Mac” is really a desire for a “hobbyist Mac”, a market that Apple clearly has little interest in serving.
Apple themselves have admitted that they have been largely successful in migrating the bulk of their desktop customers over to the iMac, and that the Mac Pro is aimed at the small group of power users whose needs cannot be met with an iMac. That’s why the Mac Pro is built and priced the way it is, and that’s why we are unlikely to ever see an xMac. They may want one, but they sure as hell don’t “need” one in the conventional sense.