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First Machines Using Kaby Lake Processors Coming This Fall, but MacBook Pro Not Likely Among Them

rGiskard said:
Sorry Mac users, no Kaby Lake Macbooks for you! You will use Skylake until 2019 and you will like it!
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So how is Apple supposed to release a Kaby Lake MacBook Pro next month when the 28W chips won't even ship until next year? They could ship one with a Core m if you'd like. /s

Microsoft rushed out a Skylake Surface Book last November. It shipped with shoddy drivers from Intel and was crash happy until Intel finally released decent drivers in April or May.
 
It looks like Apple really botched the timing of this redesign!

Bad optics, but it's small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. I'm sure the MBP will get a spec bump with the new processor in a year or so. Sure, it won't be bleeding edge, but that was never Apple's MO to begin with.
 
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The new MBP better have Kaby Lake, or else!

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smacrumon said:
Apple seem to charge customers as if they are incorporating the latest technology, so why isn't Apple incorporating the best tech? Apple seems to appear to be half a year to a year behind in some cases. What exactly is preventing Apple from doing so?
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Read the article: the first Kaby Lake will be the low power versions. If Apple doesn't use them in the MacBook Pro until full power versions next year, that's perfectly reasonable.

(Personally I'd be fine with the low power version or whatever balance—just show me what it does and I'll decide if I want it!)
 
Kobayagi said:
Next year, they'll just do a silent refresh and add Kaby Lake.
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You mean like they silently updated the current MacBook Pros to Skylake? Oh wait, they're still on Haswell, lol. The days of Apple silently updating Macs with current CPUs and GPUs are long gone.

Time to face the facts: Apple do not care about Macs and probably would EOL all Macs if they didn't fear the backlash against such a move. I would even go so far as to say they now have contempt for Mac users. The Mac division is where they send the engineers who can't make it on the iDevice teams.
 
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snowboarder said:
So the long awaited revolutionary new Macbook Pro will be outdated from the start?
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You mean, as soon as there is successor CPU on the roadmap, the current CPU is outdated? And every computer with a Xeon CPU from any manufacturer in the last five years has been outdated at launch since the consumer CPUs have always been a generation ahead of the Xeons?
 
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One could just not buy the 'new' MBP when released in October. Imagine Apple's surprise if everyone insisted on waiting for something truly new, like Kaby Lake?
 
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What exactly IS coming this year?
Are we getting a Macbook Air update?
or
Are we getting a new Macbook Pro?

Or are we getting both?

Last years rumours of the update Macbook lines ended up being false. So it is high time we see a refresh now. Or can Apple be stupid enough to postpone this another full year? I planned on updating last year, but nothing came, so I waited. Really need to upgrade soon. But I am not buying a minor upgrade. I want something new.
 
KPOM said:
So how is Apple supposed to release a Kaby Lake MacBook Pro next month when the 28W chips won't even ship until next year? They could ship one with a Core m if you'd like. /s

Microsoft rushed out a Skylake Surface Book last November. It shipped with shoddy drivers from Intel and was crash happy until Intel finally released decent drivers in April or May.
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The point is that there will never be a Kaby Lake Macbook Pro. After the Skylake update it will be 3-4 years until the next update, at which point Kaby Lake CPUs will be out of production.
 
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ArtOfWarfare said:
Intel doesn't pick and choose who buys their CPUs - anyone is free to buy them. Apple just doesn't buy the latest and greatest.

Why? Because they're cheap. They buy last gen parts and sell the computers as if they're next gen, and just rake in the profits.
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Intel phases in the new generation. Heck they still sell Ivy Bridge Xeon processors.

It's not as if Intel has unlimited capacity. They typically release the less powerful chips first since those go into the volume machines that are released for holiday sales. MacBook Pros in the grand scheme of things are a niche that is a lesser priority for Intel. Not many PC OEMs use the 28W chips.
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rGiskard said:
The point is that there will never be a Kaby Lake Macbook Pro. After the Skylake update it will be 3-4 years until the next update, at which point Kaby Lake CPUs will be out of production.
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It's possible they might skip Kaby Lake and jump to the Cannon Lake processor in 2018. Cannon Lake is a bigger deal since it is a die shrink. For all the talk about the 13" rMBP being on Broadwell, that is a 14nm die just like Kaby Lake.
 
rGiskard said:
You mean like they silently updated the current MacBook Pros to Skylake? Oh wait, they're still on Haswell, lol. The days of Apple silently updating Macs with current CPUs and GPUs are long gone.
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Sadly, this seems to be true.

rGiskard said:
The Mac division is where they send the engineers who can't make it on the iDevice teams.
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And if this is true, it's even more sad, because iDevces are such "pinnacles of innovation"... Just compare the iPhone with a Galaxy S7 and see how hard Apple's engineers are trying.
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KPOM said:
Less than that. 5% tops. Intel is releasing this primarily to say they released something.
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Well then, no problems here.
 
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I find it wierd how everyone is suddenly caring about what processor Apple is gonna use. That was never the interesting thing before, when they were actually innovating with new products and designs almost on a yearly basis.
 
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kiranmk2 said:
This is why I really don't understand the rMB update in April. Apart from a Skylake CPU and rose gold, was there anything else added? Performance wasn't really improved that much so why not hold off that update until the Kaby Lake Core M was available for an Autumn launch. The full 4K encode/decode would really help out this little laptop. An April rMBP refresh with Skylake would have allowed a late 16/early 17 Kaby Lake update. Now it looks like being over 18 months between updates...

Of course, there could be a move to the U 15 W chips for the 13" rMBP which could launch this year before the 15" launches early next year.
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So, when the 13" rMBP gets the U 15W chips before 15" in 01/17 the April Skylake should be a 17 Kaby Lake
with a core M and Fahrvergnügen über the rosengolden 4 K Koden/dekoden feeling of an rMB.

Got it!
 
Apple has waited for so long to update the Intel chips it uses.

It pushes ARM, as Steve said it needed to do.

It has made so many changes to its apps to make them more ARM friendly.

Everything points to Apple switching to ARM at some point soon.

Having waited for Intel for so long, now would be a good time to move to ARM.

Little point in having another generation Intel Macs if ARM Macs are to be the future.
 
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The launch is unknown for those chips since it could change. Since they won't be announcing or releasing it around the September event, there is always hope.
 
Wish the mac was a priority again. Im still rockin a 15" Macbook Pro from 2012. Its maxed out for ram and added a blu-ray burner and a 2TB SSD. Its holding up great but I dont think I can wait another year for them to get a current updated macbook to market. Also I wish they would just upgrade the GPU from time to time. These long product cycles are terrible.
 
I've heard the big holdup for the Mac Pro has been suitable upgraded processors. Do you know what would be awesome? If Apple extended it CPU efforts to desktop machines and was able to deliver new generations each year like they do for iOS devices. That would completely eliminate the dependence on Intel's own development cycles and may allow Apple to deliver updated machines more frequently.
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HailstormX said:
Wish the mac was a priority again. Im still rockin a 15" Macbook Pro from 2012. Its maxed out for ram and added a blu-ray burner and a 2TB SSD. Its holding up great but I dont think I can wait another year for them to get a current updated macbook to market. Also I wish they would just upgrade the GPU from time to time. These long product cycles are terrible.
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You contradicted yourself. You said it's holding up great, and yet you can't wait another year? Why not, if the current machine is no slouch? Is the software that you're running showing its demands on the hardware?
 
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In other words, The new Macbook Pro will already be outdated before it even launches. And dont even think about putting a headphone jack in this unit! I think everyone at Apple is tired of working already and just relaxing on a well deserved vacation. Please come back guys!
 
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Ramius said:
I find it wierd how everyone is suddenly caring about what processor Apple is gonna use. That was never the interesting thing before, when they were actually innovating with new products and designs almost on a yearly basis.
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The main processor was always a key area of interest. Think back to the PowerPC G3 and G4 days.... the Apple-Motorola processors were a big deal, as was the switch to Intel when the PowerPC architecture hit a wall.
 
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