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I doubt the percentages would be much different if it were 1 billon macs and 50 million PCs

This is true, but in actual numbers, the 12.26% of PCs running Windows 8 is still more than double the total number of Macs in use globally.

I think the point is that it's not worth comparing Windows uptake to OSX.
 
This is true, but in actual numbers, the 12.26% of PCs running Windows 8 is still more than double the total number of Macs in use globally.

I think the point is that it's not worth comparing Windows uptake to OSX.

meh.. it's a fine comparison.. (i mean, tons of valid comparisons are made through percentages/per capita/etc.)

or- if i double my sales next year, that's way more awesome than if apple sees a 1% gain.. even though there's a ginormous difference in the amount of money we're talking about :)
 
This is true, but in actual numbers, the 12.26% of PCs running Windows 8 is still more than double the total number of Macs in use globally.

I think the point is that it's not worth comparing Windows uptake to OSX.

This. There are too many factors to make the comparison valid.
 
This is true, but in actual numbers, the 12.26% of PCs running Windows 8 is still more than double the total number of Macs in use globally.

I think the point is that it's not worth comparing Windows uptake to OSX.

Why, are people less likely to update an OS if more people use it? There's easily a big enough sample size of Mac users to not have to worry about fluke cases. This statistic quite accurately says that the average Windows user is less likely to update than the average Mac user. I don't see anything misleading here.
 
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No it isn’t. How many people are running Win 8, now how many people are running 10.10? You are playing with semantics.
They have presented the facts in a way that suits them, not in absolute terms. If and when the tables turn, I’m sure the way they present it will too.
I prefer OS X that’s why I’m here but I can see that more people have adopted the latest Win OS than Mac OS. It helps Apple to use the % figure due to the small install base, just as it helps M$ to use real figures for their presentations. I’m not sure they harp on about it aaaaaallll the dammmnnned time like TC does though.

Look, (and this is iOS), and I can’t see why this is so hard to grasp, if they remove your downgrade path it helps the upgrade figures.

You are the one misrepresenting facts. It doesn't matter how many people use Windows vs OS X. We already know that there are tons more Windows PC's out there than Macs. The percentage matters.

If you were to compare the high school education of China and Denmark, would you actually look at the number of high school students doing good on some test, or the percentages of the high school students doing good on the test? Obviously if you look at the numbers, China will probably have hundred or thousand times more students doing better but percentage wise Denmark will be higher, which is what matters, that Denmark has a better high school education than China.
 
I would install it but I'm unsure if it will affect performance on my 08 unibody MacBook.

The only problem that I've seen is memory usage. It's more than Mavericks. I would wait if you have an older computer until they get that fixed. I'm crossing my fingers that the update comes out soon to fix it.

I'm just glad it's not really impacting my own usage since I have enough memory (16GB) to do what I normally do. What's weird is I got one out of memory message on my iMac which has 16GB and I didn't get the out of memory message on my laptop which only has 8GB. Go figure. Other than that, it works pretty well, it's just getting used to both iOS and OS X updates at the same time with all of the changes and features. Continuity, etc. is just taking a little while getting used to it and my WiFi at home is kind of flaky so that's something i have to deal with. I did use the making/taking calls from the desktop, it's a cool feature if your WiFi connection is a good one.
 
Still on Mountain Lion here. I use Quick Look extremely frequently to view video files and Mavericks abandoned many of the common video codecs. I checked Yosemite and Quick Look is still broken. Yosemite has also lost support for Aperture 2, which functions better than Aperture 3 for my applications. I guess it's okay for now because I hate the look of Yosemite anyway.
 
Just think how many would have adopted Yosemite if it didn't cause their computer to freeze when attempting an install.

I'm thinking more and more that Apple's software release strategy is now represented by throwing spaghetti on a wall.
 
I am pleased with Yosemite so far. There are some occasional glitches and bugs, but they are not more annoying than they were in [insert OS here]. That’s the risk of being an early adopter, I’m sure many will be corrected soon.

I got used to the theme after launching into the public beta a couple of times for several hours and it don’t have any second thoughts. Although I still love the Mavericks theme, Yosemite has its qualities too and seems to be a bit ‘lighter’ in use. Especially Safari is so nice with its compacter interface and subtle tab animations, it feels very fluid. Overall OS X is still OS X, there are few game breaking changes. Even the Dock is so quickly overlooked, despite of what you mind think of its new look.

It depends on what apps you are using and whether they've been updated. For Professionals in the video and audio editing environment, they usually are suggested to wait about 2 updates, but that depends on the apps they are using. Some companies have to do more testing before they recommend updating since they have to test hardware and software along with the new computers put on the market, etc. so they are usually advised to wait a couple of minor updates. I actually have the most difficulty with iTunes, they did a major UI change and I'm still getting used to it. There are things I like and don't like about iTunes. Personally, that's the biggest issue in terms of apps that i can see. I hate to say it, but if there was a better alternative, I'd jump, but there isn't and I'm not going to Windows to run Foobar and I'm not all that keen on that either.
 
The only problem that I've seen is memory usage. It's more than Mavericks.

Seriously, why??? If anything, it should be less now that they've ironed out all the 3D effects. I hate updating and knowing that it'll just make my computer slower.

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Still on Mountain Lion here. I use Quick Look extremely frequently to view video files and Mavericks abandoned many of the common video codecs.

Yeah, they nerfed QuickTime in Mavericks for some reason. Why?? Click2Flash can no longer use QuickTime Player to play YouTube and other videos in Mavericks.
 
Just think how many would have adopted Yosemite if it didn't cause their computer to freeze when attempting an install.

I'm thinking more and more that Apple's software release strategy is now represented by throwing spaghetti on a wall.

I like the yearly updates, I only with they had a better team with iTunes app, that's the biggest area of improvement in apps. They are just trying to tie iOS and OS X in terms of functionality and usability to leverage each other, which is to be expected.

There is no perfect company and at least they update the bug fixes more quickly than Microsoft. No matter what a company does, they aren't going to satisfy everyone all of the time and computers are still going through their respective functionality tweaks to figure out how to use these things.

I think the Continuity functionality is kind of interesting and it might prove to be quite useful. I like the fact that I can take/make calls from any of my devices by just having them on the same WiFI as my phone, I just have to have a good WiFI connection.
 
Yosemite just performs better - maybe it's the new Snow Leopard. Mavericks was not slower than Lion per se, but I seemed to be force quitting stuff much more often.
 
I had to remove it from my early 2009 iMac.

It wasn't running smoothly at all, got the swirling rainbow icon too many times. Slow, 8GB of ram was just not enough to handle it.

Mavericks was ok, still a bit slow.

Mountain Lion is where I ended up, perfect for what I need it for.

I don't think the lack of RAM is the problem at all. I'm running Yosemite as smoothly as Mountain Lion on my 2012 MBA with only 4GB of RAM.
 
I don't think the lack of RAM is the problem at all. I'm running Yosemite as smoothly as Mountain Lion on my 2012 MBA with only 4GB of RAM.

It 'optimises' for quite a long time and encrypts the HD with FileVault. This takes a looong time. At first glance you might think it's a dog but when it's finished is a very fast Mac OS X in operation.
 
I just hope the fix my slow wifi tx speed on my iMac

Used to be around 850mbps on Mavericks now it's 195mbps on Yosemite. Same airport extreme same locations, same channel.
 
Who cares. They're always banging on about OSX and iOS adoption rates over previous versions. I couldn't give a monkeys. It's not important.
 
Seriously, why??? If anything, it should be less now that they've ironed out all the 3D effects. I hate updating and knowing that it'll just make my computer slower.



It's not making it slower, I just had the out of memory message and it seems to use more memory. I can't tell you why other than maybe since they have more functionality like Continuity, etc. might be the reason.

It's not running any slower from what I can tell and the cores don't seem to be hitting all that hard. I've got a few apps running and the cores are barely being tapped. It's just using more memory than Mavericks.

I expect some bugs in the first major release, no one has ever shipped a new OS with increased functionality without bugs. That'll never happen.
 
While Mavericks focused on making the whole OS more responsive, Yosemite takes that back and says "you had 1 year to enjoy smooth animations, say goodbye to them now!". I like how sometimes Apple takes tiny details and polishes them, but I hate how a few months later they completely undo all of that.
 
I am extremely scared of upgrading. Last time it took me half a day to get my system back to a working state. I have my home directories on an external hard drive, and for some reason, Mavericks decided to rename the drive during the setup procedure. Took me ages to figure out why the home directories were not being mounted anymore, and re-renaming them was not as trivial as it sounds.
 
Had to do a clean install

The update from maverick was ok. But system was slow and unresponsive. Did a clean install. Time machine failed so I had to start from the beginning. System is faster then maverick with clean install. But the cloud downloads and App Store where giving me most of the problems.
 
What happened to choice?

I've been a mac user since the early 80s.
No problem adapting to change.
As OSX becomes more and more like iOS, icons everywhere look more and more like images from a cheaply printed "My First Kindergarden Dictionary" e.g. What was a Trashcan now looks like a toothbrush beaker.
The new Finder smile makes the familiar one look like a Mona Lisa's smile - go on look at it. Is that really the march of technology and graphic design.
That's OK for those who like it that way.
But whatever happened to user choice in keeping those icons that s/he likes and the freedom to adopt those s/he thinks improved.
Or do we just wait for a 3rd party app to make that possible?

My iPhone 5 was stable under iOS 7.
Under iOS 8, I find myself resetting it it almost every other day.
So why cannot I have the freedom to go back to iOS 7 at least for 6 months.
This is not the stability I have come to expect from Apple products these past 30+ years.
So for Yosemite it might be best to wait for .2 or .3 before it settles down, and the same for all future Apple products.

Disappointing, but still better than the alternatives.

Don't you miss cowdog? :)
 
Works great here, finding it smoother and quicker in places, but it sure sucks the Ram. Luckily I have 16GB installed. Anyway no regrets and I hope they fix that Ram issue. :cool:
 
Yea that 12.26% is part of a MUCH larger number. That's like there being only two Macs in the world and one had Yosemite installed. Then it would be 50%. Gotta love how they twist the truth.

"Twist the truth"? Seriously? Or are you jokingly pretending to be baffled by math?

If anyone really thinks that Apple is "twisting the truth" by reporting percentages of upgraders instead of absolute numbers of upgraders:

Let's say about 1 in 8 Windows users have upgraded to the latest version, and that this is about 1 in 8 of (to keep things simple) 800 million Windows users. The same goes for 1 in 8 of (a ballparky number) only 80 million Mac users. So there are 100 million cutting-edge Windows users out there, and only 10 million cutting-edge Mac users... OMG, the absolute numbers show that Mac upgrade adoption is awful! By reporting percentages instead of absolute numbers, Tim Clark is twisting the truth to hide this disaster from the sheeple!!! Right?

Uh, wait. Hold-out users of old software, who are refusing or neglecting to upgrade, number 700 million on the Windows side. The equivalent number of Mac users is only 70 million! So... OMG, the absolute number of Windows upgrade refusers is horrible! It's ten times worse than Mac upgrade refusers! By reporting percentages instead of absolute numbers, Tim Clark twisting the truth to make this Windows disaster look so much smaller than it really is! Is he a mole planted by Microsoft??

Does that really make sense to anyone? I hope not. When comparing upgrade adoption rates, a comparison of percentages, not absolute numbers, is precisely the right way to do it.
 
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