Interesting.
There are people installing it with 4GB of RAM and it is absolutely fine.
I suspect it's more the fact that it is optimised for SSDs
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That is unusual, however I do agree that if your Mac is mission critical, hold off.
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First Week OS X Yosemite Adoption Rates Slightly Outpacing Mavericks
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Interesting.
There are people installing it with 4GB of RAM and it is absolutely fine.
I suspect it's more the fact that it is optimised for SSDs
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That is unusual, however I do agree that if your Mac is mission critical, hold off.
Wish the adoption rate was a bit lower, has messed up all my backups...
If you do update, and use Time Machine with a disk >50% full; be careful about dismounting your external drives from e.g. Finder.
Next occasion on which Time Machine runs and the disk is back online; its initial calculation includes ALL the required space for the drive, not just the delta.
How about this for arithmetic...
247KB of files to back up - 450GB required
; only 30MB actually backed up - the 30MB is correct. The difference (approximately all the 450GB) is files it already backed up on previous runs.Attachments
OSX 10.10 Killed my iMac mid 2010.
The graphics have become unstable and apple retail service can not figure it out, been down five days . one thought it was the graphic card drivers in 10.10 . It is unstable release and i regret installing it .
The Issue : Pink and green pixels when running Apple mail and safari , then kernel panics and dialog boxes that say graphics failure. somtims the screen the Gose black
Gets worse over time . But it dose pass the apple video test.
Apple after five days thought the only thing to do was wipe out my drive and re install the OSX . Really i tried that was with the same result . dam . they do not yet have current testing tools either . their is almoner to the story but it has been a big fail.
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That seems more like a hardware failure to me. Possibly brought on by the fact that Yosemite works the graphics harder.
And as far as testing goes, they have tools that will test a Mid 10. They remote boot onto them, so it doesn't matter what OS your iMac is running.
EDIT. There have been problems with the graphics card on your model iMac since 2011. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3042435?tstart=0
I doubt it has anything to do with ram. Yosemite runs pretty much perfect on my 2011 iMac with 4GB ram.
It has nothing to do with your RAM.
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Wow... If you have trouble installing a new OS X version I doubt you could ever install an update of any other OS out there.
No they are not free in reality, Apple make their money on the hardware markup so use that to pay for the software.
Microsoft make money from the software.
It's like FREE FITTING or FREE DELIVERY it's never free, it's just priced into things.
I want to do a fresh installation, so I think I'll wait a few more days to take my time...
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I just can't believe 8 Gb aren't enough to run it smooth.
It is supposed to run with 2 Gb.
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4 Gb are enough ram for most of the users.
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I just can't believe 8 Gb aren't enough to run it smooth.
It is supposed to run with 2 Gb.
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What a larger number has to do with percentage???Go you!
Yea that 12.26% is part of a MUCH larger number. That's like there being only two Macs in the world and one had Yosemite installed. Then it would be 50%. Gotta love how they twist the truth.
It's a good OS. I skipped the Lions and went to Mavericks. Still waiting until at least .2 or .3 for Yosemite.
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4 Gb are enough ram for most of the users.
For reference, I have a low end 2011 Mini with 4GB of RAM that I upgraded with an SSD and its running Yosemite like a charm. I'm sure the SSD helps, but I can't understand the fellow complaining about running it on an iMac with only* 8GB of RAM.
* Seriously? Can people honestly complain about 8GB?!
Updated my 2011 Macbook Pro (bottom-of-the-range 15" model) to Yosemite on Monday and it's been a pretty uneventful ride so far. No slowdowns or anything like that, which I suppose is always a plus. My guess as to why people are seeing slowdowns is that as usual Finder is re-doing the indexing after an update and people don't understand this. The thing is that this happens after every update.
Only thing that actually broke when I updated was PyCharm (Python development IDE) due to the installer replacing the Java SE runtime 6 with 7, but that was easily fixed by just installing 6 alongside 7. iStat menus also refused to start after the update, but that was because the developer decided that the version I was on wouldn't run on Yosemite and that everyone running Yosemite had to buy a $10 update.
Thinking right now about seeing if there's a way to crack the license thing on iStat considering I've already paid for a full license and an update...
Only thing that actually broke when I updated was PyCharm (Python development IDE) due to the installer replacing the Java SE runtime 6 with 7, but that was easily fixed by just installing 6 alongside 7. iStat menus also refused to start after the update, but that was because the developer decided that the version I was on wouldn't run on Yosemite and that everyone running Yosemite had to buy a $10 update.
Thinking right now about seeing if there's a way to crack the license thing on iStat considering I've already paid for a full license and an update...
Total agreement. The reality is that folks who require 8GB of RAM are currently a minority. Indeed, a very real subset of people, but still a minority.
This fellow with the iMac should consider qualifying his statement.
Cross reference (earlier post-release discussion of GoSquared measurements)
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=20108468#post20108468 and so on beginning hours after release.
Highlights
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=20108468#post20108468 and so on beginning hours after release.
Highlights
What a BS statement. No operating system upgrade has ever given me as much trouble as the upgrade to Mavericks.
I upgraded Linux 20 years ago, at a time when Slackware was still in its 2.x versions, when compiling the kernel yourself was still normal, and X11 configuration was a lottery that could destroy your monitor, and still, that was less stressful than my Mavericks upgrade.
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On most laptops, closing the lid makes it kinda difficult to access the keyboard and the touchpad. If you're really good, you might be able to hit the right keys with knitting needles though
All I know is that after the debacle of trying to update my iPhone 4S in three different versions of iOS8, which nearly bricked my phone, I'll be damned if I trust Apple enough to update my mission critical Mac's with Yosemite. I'm going to wait to see how it goes. Which is a shame, because Apple updates used to be bullet proof.
This is what happens when you create the most incredible hardware and software that is designed to just live and breathe together. And it's something only Apple can do.
I'm not prepared to do another Parallels update so that I can run Yosemite. The OS comes free, but the VM will run you $40 plus the time to get 'Parallel Tools' figured out and setup again. I'm also concerned that on our iMac late-2009, I'll get into a position where it just crawls.
er, no, no it isn't at all. A percentage is a relative unit of measurement. It's point and intention is not to imply total volumes, but rather (and only) relativity. That OS X has a higher upgrade adoption rate *among its own user base* than Windows among its own base, is entirely relevant and useful data.
There's no twisting of truth because they're aren't discussing installed user base or market share at all. Two entirely different conversations and data points.
Man you guys try hard to hate. It's crazy.
Not sure what version of Parallels you're running, but I'm using version 9 and it runs just fine on Yosemite.
i usually use things like having to explain basic math concepts to them as a clear indication of either trolling or stupidity - neither really worth addressing. know those kids who used to draw a dragon instead of doing a math problem on a test, and who ran around showing it to classmates, ignoring the F they got on it? yeah, those kids all grew up to engage in flame wars online.
I'm on version 8. It's stable and runs Windows 7 just fine, so to spend another $40 isn't worth it to me (nor the time to reconfigure that POS Parallels Tools). I get a regular warning from Parallels that 8 won't work on Yosemite. I've been using Parallels since version 3, so I'm used to this crap, but I'm drawing the line here.
I'm not a designer or a programmer but I just know that I really don't like how certain things look in Yosemite. specifically, about flatness - many clickable UI elements look completely 2d - menu buttons in finder and all apple apps, the semaphore buttons you mentioned etc. without hovering the mouse over the semaphore buttons you can't tell if they are clickable. they are just 3 circles in the corner. I find that this simply looks bad and I just don't understand this total war on 3rd effects. our brains process things in 3d. why take 3d visual clues away?
Another thing that really bugs me - and this has been going on since Lion - is the weird color choices. first they made all finder icons single color and removed the color from the sidebar completely! I am not colorblind. colors help me differentiate things especially on a high resolution screen with small icons.
in Yosemite they decided to add some color back but again in a weird way that I don't like. I find the semaphore buttons and the folder icons in finder too bright and too boring (you mention the former too). I do want color as I said but I don't want bright neon signs. there are lots of options in between.