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First Windows Core 2 Duo Laptops Released

Unspeaked said:
Um, it's most current whenever you buy it.

As long as you're not buying the past generation, anyway.

If you walked into the Apple Store today and bought a 2GHz MacBook, it'd be the most current.
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But if you buy right after an update, instead of right before, your computer will remain current for a longer time. Can't really blame people for wanting to hold out for a rev, especially when it's inevitable that it will be very soon.
 
Up that desktop real estate

I would love to see an increase in the screen size on iMacs, but that doesn't seem likely without an overhaul to the entire enclosure.


Can the current imacs support a 24" Dell widescreen in dual monitor mode?
 
from what ive read the difference between Core Duo and Core 2 Duo isnt much
its not like P4 and Core 2 Duo

the Core 2 Duo are -10-15% faster at the same clock speed but use more power
 
adamfilip said:
from what ive read the difference between Core Duo and Core 2 Duo isnt much
its not like P4 and Core 2 Duo

the Core 2 Duo are -10-15% faster at the same clock speed but use more power
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They're also 64-bit and if Apple uses the Conroe the FSB is a lot faster.
 
DavPeanut said:
These are products that are now competing directly with the products or the PC industry.....
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Apple has always competed directly with PCs and related products.

DavPeanut said:
.....now that Apple is using Intel Processors, all they really have going for them are their ability to run OS X and their design
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When were those not the only distinctions Apple had? I mean, who really bought Macs because they had processors based on a different ISA?
 
milo said:
They're competitive with the Mac Pro. Very competitive.
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Mac Pro - you get a lot for the money. More pricey than most users are willing to spend, but unquestionably, "a lot of bang for the buck".

Still, my point is that Apple isn't trying to remain competitive in regards to grabbing sales or going outside of their niche market. Apple has diehard fans that will purchase whatever they sell, no matter what. They don't need to attempt to go outside of that faction because they'll have a hard time swaying general computer users who are used to Windows already or don't want to pay the premium price. Apple gives you a lot of computer for the price, but the price is still above and beyond what anyone else will charge you. Then it boils down to asking yourself "do you want to pay for the Apple experience" and some people say 'yes' and others say 'no'. For better or worse, I don't see this changing in the near future. Apple does sell competitively priced computers (ie Mini) but they're also limiting the user in regards to upgradability; I don't think anyone can argue the upgrade capabilities of a minitower or tower @ $500 versus a small form factor for $600. Can you upgrade Macs? For the most part, yes, undoubtedly. How far can you upgrade your Mac? That depends on how much you spent upfront on it, deciding between a SFF and a $1,999 Mac Pro tower.

I still love Macs and I enjoy working in OSX, but they really need to get on the 'headless Mac' idea, stat. IMO they could (seemingly overnight) gain at least a 10%+ market share if they released a tower desktop for $600, but that throws a monkey wrench into the rest of their hardware sku lineup, and they're not going to allow that to happen. Unless they kill off the Mini and slash prices on the iMac first, we'll never see a sub-$1,000 Mac in a tower enclosure.
 
adamfilip said:
from what ive read the difference between Core Duo and Core 2 Duo isnt much
its not like P4 and Core 2 Duo

the Core 2 Duo are -10-15% faster at the same clock speed but use more power
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At the same clock speed they use about the same amount of power but have improved performance AND they support x86-64, have much improved SIMD hardware (bringing SSE much closer to AltiVec in terms of performance per clock) and double the L2 cache. All around this is a better CPU.

...however for them to truly shine you will want to pair them with Intel's new mobile chipset that should be out early next year (if not sooner).
 
I too am waiting for a revision before buying. But it is somewhat ridiculous. Like saying I could date this girl now, or I could wait until next month when a faster one turns 18.

On another note, anyone notice that Mini's are gone from the refurb store...
 
BBC B 32k said:
my cat has told me that there will be a 23" chin-less iMac with the new Core 2 Duo chips, 1gig std, wireless kbd and mouse std. Or he is just hungry - hard to tell just what he is saying but he has friends in high places (trees mostly)

still heres hoping he's spot on
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Funny, my neighbor's cat told me that we will see a new 20" iMac
with Merom inside and upgraded graphics with Dual Link DVI output to support the 30" display....😉
 
roland.g said:
Unfortunately, cats are known liars.
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roland.g said:
I too am waiting for a revision before buying. But it is somewhat ridiculous. Like saying I could date this girl now, or I could wait until next month when a faster one turns 18.

On another note, anyone notice that Mini's are gone from the refurb store...
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Well I think most people are like me, they want their money to go as far as it can go. Right now $2000 will get you a decent 20" 32bit processor iMac. A few weeks from now (or hours! who knows! excitement!) it will get you a decent 20" 64bit processor iMac. I got my iBook about a week before they announced a speed bump (did not know enough about Mac culture to know to wait) and it pissed me off. Not gonna happen to me again!
 
To the guy that on page 2 requested a 7600GT in the MBP's: Why? The X1800XT is gonna whoop it's butt, and ATI is way better at making mobile cards. Oh BTW, the X1600's were not underlocked. I saw a thread somewhere, that said they wouldnøt run at full speed when not needed.😉
 
roland.g said:
Unfortunately, cats are known liars.
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They're purposely getting our hopes up just to let us down. It weakens us. Humbles us. After hearing no announcements tomorrow all we will do is sulk around, giving us more time to give them more dried food.

They're still pissed about the MagSafe connector... that ruined things for them.
 
Man you guys have some smart cats.All mine ever says is feed me and let me outside.

I DO have a little bird that talks a lot though.He says new iMacs with Conroe.Movie services and TIVO to be announced on or around the IBC convention Sept 8th

http://www.ibc.org/cgi-bin/displaypage.cgi?pageref=100

Which by the way Apple is attending and is listed in these catagories :

Computers
DV Editing Systems
DVD Authoring equipment
Editing - Video
HDTV
Internet
Multi Media
Non Linear Video Editing
PC, Internet and multimedia
Software

😉
 
Spanky Deluxe said:
A week Tuesday, a week Tuesday! I just put my mini on eBay and I'll get a good chunk less if they update them tomorrow! I thought the original rumour said after Labor day which is next week isn't it?
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Im broke now. I hope they wait til October. 🙁
 
DavidLeblond said:
Well I think most people are like me, they want their money to go as far as it can go. Right now $2000 will get you a decent 20" 32bit processor iMac. A few weeks from now (or hours! who knows! excitement!) it will get you a decent 20" 64bit processor iMac. I got my iBook about a week before they announced a speed bump (did not know enough about Mac culture to know to wait) and it pissed me off. Not gonna happen to me again!
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I understand exactly what you're saying, and agree 100%. I don't understand how people can't understand this theory. "Waiting for Rev. B" is one this, but "waiting for that minor update that's only a week away at the most" makes sense, and it's stupid not to wait. Don't listen to them, they're just jealous because you have patience and they don't. 😀


Also Im not sure if this has been mentioned, but the "free iPod with a Mac" offer ends sept. 16 according to the Apple Store....not sure if there's any correlation going here...
 
dernhelm said:
Agreed. There won't be anything of import in Paris itself. But Apple may release updates in conjunction with the Expo from their Cupertino campus.

That should make the Expo organizers _really_ happy! 🙄
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Maybe I'm just getting caught up in the feverish excitement surrounding the impending release of Merom-based Apple notebooks, but I am going to predict that Apple will debut new iPods at Paris (which is why they banned all non-iPod mp3 players at the Apple Expo).

To give this announcement maximum effect they must announce MacBook Pros with Merom outside of the Apple Expo. Since other PC manufacturers have now announced Merom-based notebooks, Apple will likely present the MacBook Pros before the Expo, so either tomorrow or next week Tueday. I stand by my earlier predictions that MacBooks (and Mac Minis) will not get Meroms yet.
 
Stridder44 said:
Also Im not sure if this has been mentioned, but the "free iPod with a Mac" offer ends sept. 16 according to the Apple Store....not sure if there's any correlation going here...
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This has been said many times by many people including myself who are all hoping to cash in on the free ipod offer by the 16th. Maybe if we all collectively think happy thoughts it will happen. Here's to hope! 😀
 
Chatham said:
Can the current imacs support a 24" Dell widescreen in dual monitor mode?
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Why don't you just look it up on the apple and dell sites?

It will, the imac will drive up to 1920 x 1200, which is what the dell 24 is.

zero2dash said:
Still, my point is that Apple isn't trying to remain competitive in regards to grabbing sales or going outside of their niche market. Apple has diehard fans that will purchase whatever they sell, no matter what. They don't need to attempt to go outside of that faction because they'll have a hard time swaying general computer users who are used to Windows already or don't want to pay the premium price.
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I don't know that I'd agree with that either. The macbook and pro are pretty competitive, and the imac and mini offer some fairly reasonable machines. I'd agree that a midtower would be a great addition to their line and appeal to more untapped potential buyers, but apple is appealing to PC switchers already, as evidenced by their increasing market share and the number of consumers buying a mac for the first time. They *are* trying to remain competitive, and are succeeding in some cases, they just aren't 100% competitive in every part of the computer market.
 
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