'Five Eyes' Governments Urge Tech Companies to Build Backdoors into Encrypted Services

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Five nations including the U.S. and the U.K. have urged tech companies to comply with requests to build backdoors into their encrypted services, or potentially face legislation requiring them to do so by law.

The statement is a result of a meeting last week between the "Five Eyes" intelligence sharing countries, which include the U.S., the U.K., Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.

In a published memo, the governments claim that the use of such backdoors for accessing encrypted data would respect personal rights and privacy, and be limited only to criminal investigations by law enforcement.
Privacy laws must prevent arbitrary or unlawful interference, but privacy is not absolute. It is an established principle that appropriate government authorities should be able to seek access to otherwise private information when a court or independent authority has authorized such access based on established legal standards. The same principles have long permitted government authorities to search homes, vehicles, and personal effects with valid legal authority.
The memo goes on to note that each of the Five Eyes jurisdictions will consider how to implement the statement principles, including "with the voluntary cooperation of industry partners", while adhering to lawful requirements for proper authorization and oversight.

The statement of principles underlines the fractious relationship between some governments and tech companies regarding encryption over the last few years, in which the popularity of digital messaging services has exploded.

The U.K. government has long argued that encrypted online channels such as WhatsApp and Telegram provide a "safe haven" for terrorists because governments and even the companies that host the services cannot read them.

In 2016, Apple and the FBI were involved in a public dispute over the latter's demands to provide a backdoor into iPhones, following the December 2015 shooter incidents in San Bernardino.

Apple refused to comply with the request, saying that the software the FBI asked for could serve as a "master key" able to be used to get information from any iPhone or iPad - including its most recent devices - while the FBI claimed it only wanted access to a single iPhone.

In another potential test case, Facebook is currently contesting a demand from the U.S. government that it break the encryption of its popular Messenger app so that law enforcement can listen in to a suspect's conversations as part of an ongoing investigation into a criminal gang.

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makitango

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Some time ago, citizens in my country were seen as criminals when they hid jews in their cellars. Let‘s just continue giving them the power to decide who‘s a criminal and who‘s not after having violated every possible human right in their almost already forgotten wars that are younger than 20 years, and not facing any jurisdiction, not even from within their own. Meanwhile, truthspeakers like Snowden and Assange get hunted down and silenced.
Funny how we humans live the most artificial life as per definition.
 

vrDrew

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No thanks, Five Eyes. (Yes please, Five Guys. But that's another topic entirely.)

I get the need for intelligence agencies and law enforcement to be able to intercept and surveil the communications of criminals, terrorists, and military opponents. Absolutely.

But there are better ways of doing so than handing the keys to every law-abiding citizen's most private information to any anonymous Government spook and cop out there.

We hand our cops and spies immense amounts of taxpayer money. We grant them tremendous powers of arrest and investigation. Use those resources and do your job. Want to get inside an Islamic State cell or find out where a Mexican drug cartel is stashing its money? Do your job. Find informants. Plant listening devices. Subpoena bank records. Fly drones and satellites over their safe houses.

We want to defeat the Islamic State and the world's criminal cartels. But not at the cost of the freedom and privacy of every one of the 8 billion people on earth.
 

Schranke

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The politicians should stat with implementing a lot more transparency in the political process and not make it harder for journalist and the public to see what is going on. But there is not intention to do this, yet they want a backdoor so people suspected, not judged, can be put under surveillance and have their liberty and privacy compromised.

And how long will it take before the same politicians who wants something like this will advocate for better security due to them being the subject of a 3rd party gaining access through the backdoor?

This is a road which should not be taken, and those who advocate that privacy is a small cost for security deserves neither.
 
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macmesser

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It seems the tech companies are being asked to create backdoors, or else legislation will mandate the creation of backdoors. IMO the legislative approach is better. There would need to be a debate and the public could apply pressure on its representatives. Why put the decision in the hands of tech companies? It belongs with the people and their representatives.
 

212rikanmofo

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Another attempt to intrude our privacy. NO THANK YOU. Privacy is a big issue in this time in age that we live in. I'm sick and tired of the government slowly taking away our rights and invading our privacy. We need to put our foot down and say NO. Enough is enough.

When Bush was president, he already passed the Patriot Act that allows the NSA to spy on every citizen. He was able to do this because of the staged 9/11 by our very own government. What sort of people are in our American Government? It's obvious people that truly hate America and want to destroy it from within.

The world is getting more and more corrupt. We need to regain our country back and make the world a better place.

Say no to those evil and satanic liberals and democrats who want to destroy the world.

Trump 2020 and beyond (Best President Ever!), #MAGA #DeleteFacebook #DeleteGoogle #Decentralize #DeleteTwitter
 
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DCIFRTHS

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Another attempt to intrude our privacy. NO THANK YOU. Privacy is a big issue in this time in age that we live in. I'm sick and tired of the government slowly taking away our rights and invading our privacy. We need to put our foot down and say NO. Enough is enough.

When Bush was president, he already passed the Patriot Act that allows the NSA to spy on every citizen. He was able to do this because of the staged 9/11 by our very own government. What sort of people are in our American Government? It's obvious people that truly hate America and want to destroy it from within.

The world is getting more and more corrupt. We need to regain our country back and make the world a better place.

Say no to those evil and satanic liberals and democrats who want to destroy the world.

Trump 2020 and beyond (Best President Ever!), #MAGA #DeleteFacebook #DeleteGoogle #Decentralize #DeleteTwitter
Do you believe that the US government carried out attacks on its own people, or that the whole thing was faked?
Are you just seeking attention by posting this type of nonsense?
It does make perfect sense that you are a Trump supporter.
 

ThunderSkunk

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Understandable, that governments continue their timeless efforts toward absolute power and total and ufettered access into every last area of peoples lives. And in the interest of furthering this brave new era of no security and total transparency, we can expect these totally above-board governments to not mind when those backdoors are used in opening up every meeting and correspondence of every member of their administrations to the public, so the people may have an actual understanding on who and what they’re voting for. You know, for democratic republics to function.

lol
 

Lerxt

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Another attempt to intrude our privacy. NO THANK YOU. Privacy is a big issue in this time in age that we live in. I'm sick and tired of the government slowly taking away our rights and invading our privacy. We need to put our foot down and say NO. Enough is enough.

When Bush was president, he already passed the Patriot Act that allows the NSA to spy on every citizen. He was able to do this because of the staged 9/11 by our very own government. What sort of people are in our American Government? It's obvious people that truly hate America and want to destroy it from within.

The world is getting more and more corrupt. We need to regain our country back and make the world a better place.

Say no to those evil and satanic liberals and democrats who want to destroy the world.

Trump 2020 and beyond (Best President Ever!), #MAGA #DeleteFacebook #DeleteGoogle #Decentralize #DeleteTwitter
Ok I may be a bit slow today. Where is the punch line? It starts off well but I’m missing the joke...??
 

ThunderSkunk

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Ok I may be a bit slow today. Where is the punch line? It starts off well but I’m missing the joke...??
I think the joke was, he points out the entire world is getting MORE corrupt and the people in the government are evil and want to destroy the country they work for, but then says we should all support them through 2020 and beyond, and calls their opposition evil too.

He seems to be at once ready to climb up on the wings of his passions and soar, and yet conflicted about which end of that great bird to mount, and therein lies the folly, and comedy, of man. Or something.
 
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Moorepheus

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Another attempt to intrude our privacy. NO THANK YOU. Privacy is a big issue in this time in age that we live in. I'm sick and tired of the government slowly taking away our rights and invading our privacy. We need to put our foot down and say NO. Enough is enough.

When Bush was president, he already passed the Patriot Act that allows the NSA to spy on every citizen. He was able to do this because of the staged 9/11 by our very own government. What sort of people are in our American Government? It's obvious people that truly hate America and want to destroy it from within.

The world is getting more and more corrupt. We need to regain our country back and make the world a better place.

Say no to those evil and satanic liberals and democrats who want to destroy the world.

Trump 2020 and beyond (Best President Ever!), #MAGA #DeleteFacebook #DeleteGoogle #Decentralize #DeleteTwitter
How about you just #DeleteYourInternet with this whole thing that the American Government set up 9/11.

As for the topic at hand, I understand the issues at hand, from both sides. I just don't know where I personally stand. First, I want my privacy, and for the most part I have it. However, I also think that anyone that wants to destroy my way of life via terrorist activities, I want them caught at all costs, if that includes, infringing on my privacy, I might be ok with that. So, right now I ride the fence on this topic.

Too many people angry about these governments trying to protect their people. How about be angry at big corporations getting hacks and having people's information (SSN, name, etc) stolen becuase they can't protect us. I see less talk about that just becuase it's not political enough for everyone to get up in arms about.
 
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Huntn

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Who needs privacy? :rolleyes::oops:
However I view this as a natural progression in a modern technological age. The more civilized we become, the less individual freedoms we retain because there is less you can do without stepping on someone else. And keep tabs on everyone to keep the bad guys in check. It’s like trying to walk though a 10x10’ room with 20 people sleeping on the floor. The Founding Fathers could not imagine this future. What it means is that your individual privacy is forfeit for the collective good, which is fine and dandy until menevolent forces gain control. :(
 

CerebralX

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Not withstanding the barrage of invective likely to come my way, I support this in principle. Furthermore, telling me what I deserve or not deserve in terms of liberty and freedom is not in your gift my friend.
Lay out your case.

As far as I can see there is no logical, rational and reasonable argument to support this.