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'Five Eyes' Governments Urge Tech Companies to Build Backdoors into Encrypted Services
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The problem with that is not when people who don't wear seatbelts get killed in crashes (after all, the world still needs organ donors), the problem is when they get gravely crippled and then have to be supported by the taxpayers.
My god, you're for mandatory seatbelts? As in, forcing people to wear them or otherwise face a financial burden from which the government benefits? Are you suggesting that the only reason people wear seatbelts is because there is a risk of getting caught and hit with a fine?
May I ask, why are you for the hinderance of natural selection of humans? Let people use the seatbelt if they want or not.
As for your actual point, you only deserve as much freedom as you'll allow others to have. This analogy that you made is not comparable. It's a false equivalence. The suggestion to allow a group of fellow people, the government, to have absolute power over the majority of people, the citizens, by handing them a tool that enables access to the data of everyone means that you have given up all your privacy, means that you don't value freedom to the degree that perhaps you should.
Correct. I am indeed not going to debate why seatbelts are mandatory in any sane country.
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No. That does not follow.
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No.
I firmly believe that you actually have no reasonable explanation as to why you support mandatory seatbelts in cars for everyone. I can definitely see the argument that one could make for children, but for adults.... you're going to have to explain to me.
I indeed am not interested in justifying my opinion that everyone should be required to wear a seatbelt in a car.
These are the proponents and bastions of Freedom, Liberty, Free-speech, Independence and demanding that the rest of the world should follow their lead - USA, UK, Australia, New Zealand and unexpectedly Canada!
USA has already gone off-track with the Patriot act; UK has the most surveilled society, and Australia/New Zealand are a joke. All of them current or former colonial common wealth nations and four of them still have the same Queen
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No to any breech in the OS of any company in any form, especially access to the OS via a backdoor!
Police your nations with intelligence, footwork, and most importantly focused surveillance; not lazy access to everyone's habits, normal, kinky or even criminal. There is a criminal justice system that gives warrants with cause to get more information - metadata is not the way to provide security.
Metadata is the way to make Amazon, Alphabet, Facebook, etc. rich because the customers are tripping over themselves to give up their intimate details and activities.
USA has already gone off-track with the Patriot act; UK has the most surveilled society, and Australia/New Zealand are a joke. All of them current or former colonial common wealth nations and four of them still have the same Queen
.No to any breech in the OS of any company in any form, especially access to the OS via a backdoor!
Police your nations with intelligence, footwork, and most importantly focused surveillance; not lazy access to everyone's habits, normal, kinky or even criminal. There is a criminal justice system that gives warrants with cause to get more information - metadata is not the way to provide security
.Metadata is the way to make Amazon, Alphabet, Facebook, etc. rich because the customers are tripping over themselves to give up their intimate details and activities
.Not hurting anyone else? The seatbelt bound driver has more control of a vehicle that has been hit by, or has hit another vehicle or object. So, the driver can still bring the vehicle to a safe stop with less damage to others versus flying through the windshield while the vehicle can continue out of control, "hurting" others.
The passenger not wearing a seatbelt would rattle around the car like a pinball, at a minimum distracting the driver - or killing the driver, and others outside the vehicle as a result.
Anyone choosing to not wear seatbelt should sign something like a DNR that patients do in hospitals, only here they will agree to no treatment measures, no medications, but immediate harvesting of all organs for transplant. And, the brain for scientific studies. Plus they should carry an insurance to automatically cover all expenses of such an accident incurred by others without going thru the court system, such as lawsuits, arbitration.
If they do survive the accident with no medical treatment, no further treatment for longterm injuries like whiplash or a popped eyeball should cost any insurance system, including their own medical insurance. All costs should come out of their own pocket.
A lawyer can add more riders to such a pre-agreement and make thicker than those old fashioned encyclopedias.Fun!
You are as bad as the LEFTIST NEWS OUTLETS. You took only the part that suited your needs to rebut. Why not QUOTE my entire post? Anyway, I digress, you can feel the way you want, like I said, I am on the FENCE about this subject.
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And yet, we have laws how we are able to drive that car, laws that we must wear a seatbelt. Law after law for an car, yet no one is up in arms about them. Why do most people follow them, because, "THEY SAVE LIVES". FWIW, this was a bad comparison.
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If you believe that these governments are literally criminals, then you may leave any time. No one is stopping you. No one is preventing you from leaving the country you live in to go somewhere that these so called criminal governments, (which by the way, protect your way of life), have no influence on your life. But my guess, is you like where you live, and you like your liberties. Do I believe there are BAD people in government, absolutely, but some times you have to do BAD to protect the people under you. They are never going to please 100% of the people 100% of the time.
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That's a stupid suggestion. So bad people in the government commit crimes, and your suggestion is for people to leave? No, the solution is to punish the guilty and have a better government.
I want my great country to be even better, not watch it spiral down into a corrupt authoritarian police state. The enforcers of the law should not be above the law themselves.
Oh, I agree, but when I say GOVERNMENT, I am not speaking of the bad apples (Sorry Apple, bad pun here). I am speaking of the GOVERNMENT as a whole. If you believe that the entire GOVERNMENT is rotten, then the only solution is a REVOLUTION, which my or may not happen (I am betting on the MAY NOT, because I don't think the entire GOVERNMENT is rotten). But this thread isn't about BAD APPLES, it's about Privacy and the government asking these TECH giants for help to preventing future incidents from happening. Buy, like my post stated, I am on the fence with this. But you go ahead and criticize me for how I feel about it, if it makes you feel better. Have a great day.
Because I don’t care about the rest of your ranting and raving. The only part of your crazy posting that was even remotely relevant to the topic of this thread was what I quoted.
I have said this in other threads; I think governments should be free to try to hack into the phones/computers/software/etc. of criminals. What they should not be able to do is force companies to build "backdoors". There's a myriad of reasons, not the least of which is the lack of security and safety against those NOT in law enforcement who would find and exploit those gaps in security for nefarious purposes.
Security and safety is already an extremely-close cat and mouse game, this would set important companies back several years in that race.
Security and safety is already an extremely-close cat and mouse game, this would set important companies back several years in that race.