Genuinely frightening stuff. If the government has a backdoor key, it'll definitely exist somewhere else where money is there to be made.....
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'Five Eyes' Governments Urge Tech Companies to Build Backdoors into Encrypted Services
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The minute a backdoor is available, every authoritarian government in the world will request the key or prohibit the company from selling it's product in their country.
I'm not going to attack you for your opinion but what I will do is make a few assumptions: you don't work in the software/tech industry. If you did, you'd understand why what's being proposed simply won't work. It's a choice between privacy and no privacy. By supporting mandatory "back doors", you're effectively saying you have no interest in your private life being private - but you're also saying that others don't deserve privacy. If a method for law enforcement to access your data exists, it can and will eventually be abused. It's as simple as that.
Just look at how much trouble Apple had for years with the jailbreaking cat and mouse game - and they *didn't even have* a back door! The smartest assumption to make in the software industry is that there is always going to be someone out there smarter than you who can get past whatever security you implement. A perfect "back door" solution is a literal impossibility.
Do you really think terrorists and other unsavory characters won't just develop their own encryption techniques anyway, making this entire proposition moot?
There’s the catch 22. To prevent the possibility of a terrorist attacking your “way of life”, you’d be willing to let your way of life be destroyed in order to stop them. There are more ways of preventing the terrors at reasonable costs, without sacrificing what little remains of our constitution by going to the “at all costs” extreme.
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Didn’t all this encryption proliferation started when the whistle was blown that our governments were spying on every citizen regardless of whether they were under investigation or not?
Precisely! Bottom line? Why even bother with encryption if you're going to turn around and leave a purposeful way to bypass it in the code? You're saying, "I want to ensure my transmissions are secure, but not secure at all to anyone in one of at least 5 world governments who has access to decode it." ?? You don't believe it's possible that any of those people could ever let the access to the back door leak out?
The Snowden files and Wikileaks shows that government spying is mainly used to economically benefit the US and its allies, and little to do with stopping terrorists.
The terrorists already know/assume that everything is tracked so they rely on low tech means to get their messages across.
Anyone caught transmitting thing via public channels is just a low level dummy who doesn't know anything.
The terrorists already know/assume that everything is tracked so they rely on low tech means to get their messages across.
Anyone caught transmitting thing via public channels is just a low level dummy who doesn't know anything.
No, but I think that’s when newscasters on cable tv had to learn how to pronounce it.
Pretty much this! Heck clever terrorists, or at least those paying them, would insist on low tech methods or even sms and use coded language. As an aside, the phrase "coming in through the backdoor" is a good illustration of what governments want to do to us.
With respect to this particular argument, it will be much less likely such individuals would do so. In as much as the "strip searches" everyone who flies must endure, it's done so that it is MUCH LESS LIKELY that an unsavory character doesn't bring something aboard that would jeopardize the lives of hundreds of people. Sure, it's not perfect. But as such, should we just do away with the TSA checks? Would people feel better knowing anyone can bring anything onto a plane in the name of privacy and freedom? Since no security checks are perfect, let's do away with all of them and just let whatever happens, happen. That's your argument?
Playing devils advocate. I support full privacy rights FYI.
If God forbid something happened to someone I care about and the answer to why/how/etc was on a phone...I gotta admit it would be so tough not to want the ability to get that information even though there’s no guarantee it would be there.
What about if a judge gives access to one conversation only in the messages app? Not the entire phone. I know this is not currently possible. Just starting a discussion on an idea.
If God forbid something happened to someone I care about and the answer to why/how/etc was on a phone...I gotta admit it would be so tough not to want the ability to get that information even though there’s no guarantee it would be there.
What about if a judge gives access to one conversation only in the messages app? Not the entire phone. I know this is not currently possible. Just starting a discussion on an idea.
Once the backdoors are created the method of breaking through privacy will most certainly escape law enforcement and be made widely available. Then, the tech companies will face furious demands to protect privacy the next time naked photos of a famous celebrity are released or the messages of top government officials are hacked by the terrorists themselves.
Wow, dude. Whatever you are taking, most likely that not, must be illegal and is harming your brain.
At first I thought horrible idea but then I started thinking about what information of mine would be uncovered and thought there wasn’t much if anything I’d like to hide.
Wondering what others are afraid of having exposed (in general terms)?
I’d feel even better about it if our government wasn’t as corrupt as it generally across the board.
What am I missing? Any insight as to what the average law abiding and good person citizen is afraid of exposing?
Wondering what others are afraid of having exposed (in general terms)?
I’d feel even better about it if our government wasn’t as corrupt as it generally across the board.
What am I missing? Any insight as to what the average law abiding and good person citizen is afraid of exposing?
All we'll wind up with is separate encryption methods like PGP back in the 90s that are relatively inconvenient to use but will pose no barrier to people that really want their conversations to be private. The governments can punish the big guys like Apple, Microsoft, Google, Snap, etc. all they want, but inevitably there will be others to step in and fill the gaps who are located outside of the Five Eyes jurisdiction. You can't put a stopper in the distribution of electronic media no matter how hard you try. Even with direct governmental censorship, like in China, it is a constant game of whack-a-mole to identify and deny access to various platforms that allow citizens to speak freely.
Everything in bold I agree with, otherwise ummm yea just put down that pipe.
In particular you DO know Trump also would support this measure right? He said as much when he took the side of the FBI when they wanted Apple to open up iOS a couple of years back!
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I shower just like every other hygiene minded citizen but wouldn't want a camera in my bathroom on the off chance it would catch a psycho-type killer.
Bank account information, pictures of my daughters and their locations, private work related conversations.
Having privacy doesn't mean you're corrupt.
Eventually, we're going to lose this battle but I can respect companies who for now, try to maintain our privacy.
No! First install the camera in your own toilet you political psychos.
This is the wrong way to look at the problem.
The old, "What have I/you got to hide?" question is the excuse most often used to push these agendas through as law.
The thing is? It doesn't really matter if I have nothing to hide right now. Situations can change at any time. What if you find yourself in a legal battle of some sort, where the person or business you're fighting in court manages to access your private emails or chat sessions and undermines your case with them? What if new government leaders impose new rules that take away freedoms you assumed were protected in the USA until that time? Now, you've lost a potentially useful tool to fight that oppression.
For that matter? What if you're doing something that isn't necessarily being a "good citizen", yet isn't illegal, such as an affair with someone? Shouldn't you have the opportunity to try to keep your correspondence or conversations with them private, whether or not your behavior is necessarily "morally good"?
The old, "What have I/you got to hide?" question is the excuse most often used to push these agendas through as law.
The thing is? It doesn't really matter if I have nothing to hide right now. Situations can change at any time. What if you find yourself in a legal battle of some sort, where the person or business you're fighting in court manages to access your private emails or chat sessions and undermines your case with them? What if new government leaders impose new rules that take away freedoms you assumed were protected in the USA until that time? Now, you've lost a potentially useful tool to fight that oppression.
For that matter? What if you're doing something that isn't necessarily being a "good citizen", yet isn't illegal, such as an affair with someone? Shouldn't you have the opportunity to try to keep your correspondence or conversations with them private, whether or not your behavior is necessarily "morally good"?
Or face legislation? Would the American people really stand for that at this point?
I hate to connect this issue to another but I am going to anyway....
What good is a rubber stamp from the FISA court, for example, if iMessage-to-iMessage communication is totally secure?
I hate to connect this issue to another but I am going to anyway....
What good is a rubber stamp from the FISA court, for example, if iMessage-to-iMessage communication is totally secure?
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