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Point well taken, but I think its a bridge too far for politicians to cross constitutionally. Its like saying to any company who makes any locked device (safe, front door lock, bank vualt / individual lock boxes) that the government shall have a key or reasonably be able to brute force access it, or that it shall not be lockable. The constitution protects these rights for us as individuals and our ability to use these products to protect our privacy.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.​

A company doing it for us, as is the case today, is arguable constitutionally. Passing a law that says we as individuals are only afforded 4th amendment protections when the method of security used ensures that the government shall have a key or reasonably be able to brute force access it, or that it shall not be lockable in my opinion is unconstitutional. If legislation surfaces that outlaws companies providing means for users to encrypt their own data, that would have a significant economic impact as users as well as service providers (loosely defined as banking apps any any other app managing valued assets / money) no longer offer services on unsecured devices as they would have to be willing to own that risk of fraudulent access and financial loss if consumers were to continue to use them.
Hate to say it, but since when has Congress followed the constitution?
 
I say NO way on this. It efeats the entire purpose of good encryption. I realize that there will be cases where a major crime could potentially be solved using some encryption breaker/back door but I wont trade that for the many more times it will be used immorally or ilegally to mess with citizens and their liberties.

Sorry, bad idea.
 
Another attempt to intrude our privacy. NO THANK YOU. Privacy is a big issue in this time in age that we live in. I'm sick and tired of the government slowly taking away our rights and invading our privacy. We need to put our foot down and say NO. Enough is enough.

When Bush was president, he already passed the Patriot Act that allows the NSA to spy on every citizen. He was able to do this because of the staged 9/11 by our very own government. What sort of people are in our American Government? It's obvious people that truly hate America and want to destroy it from within.

The world is getting more and more corrupt. We need to regain our country back and make the world a better place.

Say no to those evil and satanic liberals and democrats who want to destroy the world.

Trump 2020 and beyond (Best President Ever!), #MAGA #DeleteFacebook #DeleteGoogle #Decentralize #DeleteTwitter

I hate companies requiring me to change my password to one of the 10 obtuse naming schemes they dream up every insert random monthly interval here.
 
The Snowden files and Wikileaks shows that government spying is mainly used to economically benefit the US and its allies, and little to do with stopping terrorists.

Didn't the leaks reveal that the US was also spying on the governments of US's own allies?
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Do you honestly think that this would make any sense at all?

Well, one would figure that the people proclaiming they have "nothing to hide" and "think of the children", etc. should be the first to turn it on so they can set an example for the rest of us.
 
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What am I missing? Any insight as to what the average law abiding and good person citizen is afraid of exposing?

A fundamental problem is that something cannot provably be cryptographically secure (in that no efficient or at least polynomial time solution to discovering the key exists) while providing a back door of any kind. These governments are also highly reliant on secure devices for their own use and would not want back doors in place there due to to the risk of information leaks. I'm curious whether Congress, Parliament, etc have spent any time questioning researchers and/or other experts in these areas.
 
Any citizen who supports this does not deserve freedom and true liberty.
“Any citizen who has a different opinion than me doesn’t deserve freedom” is kind of an oxymoron isn’t it? I think we should have privacy, but at the same time I would never say something like you said.

I don’t care who you are and how your opinion differs from mine, I hope you have your freedom. “I don’t agree with what you say, but I would fight to the death for your right to say it”
 
This is security theater at it's worst. The Bad Guys (tm) simply either won't use compromised platforms or will layer more secure communications on top of them. So in the end, the privacy of people who aren't a threat is thrown away for no actual benefit.
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I support everyone going nekkid.

You wouldn't say that if you've been to a Walmart lately.
 
A huge issue with building a backdoor into a device, even at the government's order, is that someone out there who is smarter than the government employees will gain access to the backdoor and use it for nefarious purposes. The level of encryption does not matter, someone will do it. The people pushing for these backdoors clearly don't understand the tech and/or Murphy's Law.
 
When will people stop comparing the ability to search phones with the ability to search homes/cars/etc.?! They are not the same thing! There is an element of security in the fact that you have to be physically present to search the latter, but a "backdoor" in a phone/computer/anything-internet-connected allows search and seizure from ANYWHERE!!!! In other words, limitless control.
 
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When will people stop comparing the ability to search phones with the ability to search homes/cars/etc.?! They are not the same thing! There is an element of security in the fact that you have to be physically present to search the latter, but a "backdoor" in a phone/computer/anything-internet-connected allows search and seizure from ANYWHERE!!!! In other words, limitless control.

Actually a backdoor to a phone is essentially a master key and open warrant to people's home, cars, etc. which is also wrong.
 
Who needs privacy? :rolleyes::oops:
However I view this as a natural progression in a modern technological age. The more civilized we become, the less individual freedoms we retain because there is less you can do without stepping on someone else. And keep tabs on everyone to keep the bad guys in check. It’s like trying to walk though a 10x10’ room with 20 people sleeping on the floor. The Founding Fathers could not imagine this future. What it means is that your individual privacy is forfeit for the collective good, which is fine and dandy until menevolent forces gain control. :(
which is why people invented democracy, so that you could throw out your government every few years if they became “malevolent”... of course doesn’t seem to be working so well now-a-days does it....
 
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When will people stop comparing the ability to search phones with the ability to search homes/cars/etc.?! They are not the same thing! There is an element of security in the fact that you have to be physically present to search the latter, but a "backdoor" in a phone/computer/anything-internet-connected allows search and seizure from ANYWHERE!!!! In other words, limitless control.

Well, let’s go down that road.

If in some reality you could limit this to only devices that a government had in its physical custody and has a valid warrant for.... Would that make it more acceptable?

For me, that’s still a “no.”
 
“Any citizen who has a different opinion than me doesn’t deserve freedom” is kind of an oxymoron isn’t it? I think we should have privacy, but at the same time I would never say something like you said.

I don’t care who you are and how your opinion differs from mine, I hope you have your freedom. “I don’t agree with what you say, but I would fight to the death for your right to say it”
This is the second time someone has made this argument. It's so flawed. The people who support this are factually for the limitation of their own freedom. Therefore they do not deserve freedom.

I mean, how much easier does it need to be?
 
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I support everyone going nekkid.
But then you will have certain groups of people arguing that they deserve to wear clothing while others do not.
And the people who wear clothing will argue that they have the right to look at the unclothed people in any manner they wish, but it is not ok for unclothed people to look at each other or at clothed people.
 
The secret doors have probably been coded and the companies are forced not to disclose it to the public. Just like MS did with prism in 2007 and the public didn't know about it until Snowden came along. Eventually they're will be a whistleblower again.
 
Do you believe that the US government carried out attacks on its own people, or that the whole thing was faked?
Are you just seeking attention by posting this type of nonsense?
It does make perfect sense that you are a Trump supporter.

Yes I do, maybe you should do some research and find your own facts instead of believing everything that you hear on the news. Unbelievable that we still have people who are blind from the truth on what's going on in this world. Looks like the mainstream media has got you exactly where it wants. Here's a start, may want to read up on what Operation Mockingbird is.
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And I bet you also believe the world is flat, that pigs can fly and unicorns are real

Nope, don't believe in any of that.
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I think the joke was, he points out the entire world is getting MORE corrupt and the people in the government are evil and want to destroy the country they work for, but then says we should all support them through 2020 and beyond, and calls their opposition evil too.

He seems to be at once ready to climb up on the wings of his passions and soar, and yet conflicted about which end of that great bird to mount, and therein lies the folly, and comedy, of man. Or something.

You seem to get the 1st part right. The government aren't the actual people who call the shots, there's an entity above that which rules, again do some research instead of just believing whatever the media tells you. Donald Trump is technically a part of the government but far from it. He's a businessman not a politician. He's the first president who is actually making a difference in helping our country.
 
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