You can say what you want, APPLE USERS WILL PAY MORE FOR THE SAME EXACT FLASH APPLICATIONS ON IOS AS NATIVE APPS BECAUSE WE WILL PASS APPLE 30% TAX TO END USER, NO ONE WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR APPLE 30% IN THE BROWSER. Developers already made their choice, there are 3 million flash developers, how many iOS developers? 100k? lol
Apple tied us up for a year, now it is showtime, keep talking!
i don't see Joe Public buying random apps in a browser on a phone/tablet for the simple fact that they won't trust it, people are hesitant to give card details out online these days due to fraud. plus alot of people will not go outside of their device's built in ecosystem, such as androids marketplace, apple's app store, etc.
This has now seemingly been confirmed with Last.fm co-founder Richard Jones saying Apple has ****ed over music subscription services (read the chatlogs here), in preparation for the launch of their own competing service which, of course, will not be subject to the 30% levy.
And Apple's users will pay more for the same exact Flash apps until Apple allows Flash in the browsers on iOS.
not being funny, but Last.FM were screwing their users over anyway by pulling streaming over 3G unless you paid, as up until recently you could stream for free, so they're prob just in a stink cos of the kerfuffle that caused.
Really? you think Android users will be using more in-browser apps than native apps by the end of this year?
exactly, they won't, they won't know and won't care, if they want something, they'll get an app, simple as. that's why alot of web apps have now converted into native apps. he's a bit deluded in that sense.
Ok, now address the part of my post where I argued this won't have the consequences you think it will.
he won't, that's the funny part, he'll ignore it and change the subject. He still hasn't commented on my point that Amazon will release a native app for iOS at some point by the end of they year, they won't cut their nose off to spite their faces. they're making a song and dance about it now to make a point, but will eventually release one by the end of the year and they'll then make a point about it saying, look we're so nice we're not gonna penalise iOS users. it's all just a marketing ploy.
I don't think people in this thread, inluding me, really understood the extent of his claim.
Basically he's telling us Adobe Flex will destroy all the curated app store/markets on platforms with (eventual) Flash support such as Android market, Blackberry app world, Microsoft marketplace, Amazon app store, etc, because users are smart enough not to pay %30 "tax" and will use the web apps instead. Only iOS users will be forced to pay more for native apps while all other platform users will be enjoying web based apps without going through a centralized store that charges developers.
I mean, there are some credible reasons to enable Flash but that claim is just ...wow.. it is the first time I actually really felt a tinge of amazement from a religious evangelicism. ( ok k that was an exaggeration
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exactly, that's the most absurd comment i read today lol.
If Flash doesn't die, Apple will have made a big mistake. I often come across Flash videos that don't work. The Huffington Post uses videos from various sources and 75% of them don't work. The Daily Show episodes don't work. Episodes of The Office don't work. HBO.com doesn't work. Essentially every live stream, including Whitehouse.gov, doesn't work. I had to watch the World Cup on my Droid while waiting at the airport. Please don't tell me Flash is hardly used. I run across something every other day that can't be played.
no-one said flash is hardly used, they, and i, were saying that we've had no problems in our experiences and neither has Joe Public, otherwise there would be more kerfuffle about it other than on niche forums.
I said, you said... that is a typical technique you have been using to dissolve the conversation. This is the subject in hand now, can we focus on it?
the funny thing is, you keep saying how people keep dissolving the conversation when really it's you doing that, by ignoring valid points and valid questions to what you have posted. you've either changed subject or blatantly ignored it.
Keep talking guys, the poll was stuck at 55% for 2 days and has been going up ever since you all got on my case like pirhanas. This thread was clean and enjoyable until you arrived (Baldimac has been following me like a shadow here and on another thread). I am tired, I will come back when there is news to post, which will be probably tomorrow or tonight arounf 11pm when I get the articles of the day. You are amusing people, you really are but this is an endless fight so keep talking... I said everything I had to say so if you have a question for me just read the thread again you will find the answer.
again, this poll means squat in the grand scheme of things, this is a niche forum, at best making up 5% of all iOS users. the other 95% don't know or dont care what flash is or understand what it does, so even if the poll was 98% on your side, that still doesn't mean anything. as for your clean and enjoyable comment, that's absurd, you've just gotten annoyed with the fact you've been challenged on things where you can't admit you're not right.
Google and Amazon do not ban Flash in the browser to impose their 30% tax and they have no reason not to align on Apple AppStore.
lol so you're saying that apple banned flash just for that? i take back what i said earlier, this is the funniest thing i've heard today. they're not interconnected ideas. you've just pulled at 2 random things and put them together to make it look like you have a point.
Microsoft is about to enter big with Nokia, no matter what games Microsoft is playing with Apple I know for fact Windows mobile will support Flash in the browser and I know for fact Nokia hired some of the best Flash rocket scientists in the country. You know Nokia market share and penetration, right?
lol Nokia? the reason they have the share and penetration they have is simply due to the fact they run off so many different models and a high majority are given away free on contract or sold cheap on pay and go, that's it. if all phones were free or the same price i bet there'd be a different story on marketshare and penetration.
I said BBC Player I duno if it is native or not
the BBC iPlayer has worked on the iPhone since day of launch, they made an iOS friendly version and made an iPad version when that came out and released, both as webapps, then they brought out a native app. So really, using them in your argument is futile, they fully support iOS.
The idea that paid in-browser apps will beat the App Stores/Markets is very hard to believe. I've bought a whole bunch of Apps and games from small companies. There is no way I'd have bought those if I had to give my credit card number separately to each company. App Stores/Markets are just much more convenient and much up with users expectations. Users expect to get Apps through an App Store/Market and they expect to get web pages when they use a browser.
You hit the nail on the head there. that's why he's wrong about flash web apps on mobile devices
OMG, I rarely saw such a bunch of delusional people! You really live in the Apple microcosm and believe there is nothing outside of AppStore and iTunes, you are on for such a threat you have no idea! I can't argue with you because I can't prove what I say and what I know, so when it will become public and I will be free to talk about it I will come here and call you all on it, until then I bail out!
lol we're just stating fact. you're the one in the bubble thinking apple are evil and that the general user will think what you do. If you noticed what i said, i also said general android users will not buy random web apps outside of the android market place, same with blackberry users and windows phone 7 users.
you can't argue with us cos you know we actually have points based in real life facts.......
