Flash Player Performance on Droid 2 Found to Be Hit-or-Miss at Best

[smakdown61]

wtf

I doubt most of you have used it yet. And it's better than decent.

Pretty good flash plugin > no flash at all

boom roasted

The problem is that when it DOESNT work, it craps on the entire web surfing experience. You don't get an empty box, you get an incredibly laggy web browsing experience for that page.

What they really need to implement is a "click to enable" per flash item on the page itself. That way, if I know there is a flash box that bogs the whole site down, I don't have to enable it.

I really think that's what Jobs should have done for the iphone. His biggest fear is crappy performance on his phone, but if you let the USER enable the content, he can just blame the flash designer or adobe for not making that object not mobile friendly (and boast with the iphone you can choose not to enable it).

 

[BornAgainMac]

But they have to understand Adobe's position. Do they invest in 10% of the market, or 90% of the market?

The Apple market for Adobe isn't 10%. Impossible. Don't confusing market share for all computers to what they do. A lot of Windows machines are for viewing content, not creating it except maybe Office documents. At least at Adobe's software prices.

 

[hwhalers]

here is another instance of sj looking out for you.

Considering the proprietary information that sometimes resides on my iPhone, I'm all in favor of extending the anti-theft measures in MobileMe, which is what this patent application actually describes.

If you're actually concerned about privacy (you're probably not), and you actually know anything about privacy policies and the use of identifying information (you probably don't), then you wouldn't be such a gung-ho fan of Google.

 

[netsql]

Once Apple ...

Once Apple want's flash on iCrap, is there a way to forbid them?

Or maybe just don't release Flash player for OSX no more either?
Also, no more Java, neither, that's resource hungry.
Also, Python. Perl. In fact, only Objective C, latest version!

If you want choice get Android. Or Linux. Or Windoze. Apple is for proprietary.

.V

 

[bkspero]

User share not developer share

The Apple market for Adobe isn't 10%. Impossible. Don't confusing market share for all computers to what they do. A lot of Windows machines are for viewing content, not creating it except maybe Office documents. At least at Adobe's software prices.

I was referencing user share not developer share. If Adobe locks up users then developers will continue to follow. Although with Adobe's version lag for OS X on all its software, it seems like the are seeing developer share continue to shift to Windows as well.

 

[LagunaSol]

I look forward to use my Droid X to see menus on restaurant websites. And to see seating charts and seat view images when buying tickets for concerts and sports events.

Yes, everyone should need a proprietary Web plugin to access these types of information.

 

[AidenShaw]

Yes, everyone should need a proprietary Web plugin to access these types of information.

Everyone should be able to use the right tool for the job - whatever the tool, whatever the job.

Often, that's Flash.

 

[unicorn025]

Considering the proprietary information that sometimes resides on my iPhone, I'm all in favor of extending the anti-theft measures in MobileMe, which is what this patent application actually describes.

If you're actually concerned about privacy (you're probably not), and you actually know anything about privacy policies and the use of identifying information (you probably don't), then you wouldn't be such a gung-ho fan of Google.

if it was only use to protect your information on your phone that fine, but it also says if you jailbreack you phone it could be disable is that okay with you also? im not a gong-ho fan of nobody and i have both the iphone4 and a nexus one, nether apple or google is putting money in my pocket so i can give to **** about witch one is the better company, i use what work for me and thats it, so if i jailbreak MY phone apple might be able to disable it hell no i say.

The patent in question specifically mentions that the kill switch will be used for the identification of “hacking, jailbreaking, unlocking, or removal of a SIM card” so that Apple can take steps to disable phones.

 

[notabadname]

A negative article about Flash on Macrumors! Grab your popcorn or treat of choice folks, this'll be a good'un.

(not that anyone will care, but the NYT site loads perfectly well on my HTC desire and a bit faster than it does on my iPad in my less than scientific test)

The article wasn't published for Macrumors. The content is simply of interest to Macrumors readers (clearly yourself included) and is, big surprise, subsequently featured in a thread. I guess you must feel that any article referenced on this site must lack credibility if it doesn't support your rather obvious agenda. So every pro-HTC article or pro-Droid article featured on their respective "fan" sites must also be false? I don't even understand why you bother visiting this site. Isn't there an "AdobeFlashfanboy.org" site you can frequent that would focus on reports that favor your opinion?

 

[hwhalers]

if it was only use to protect your information on your phone that fine, but it also says if you jailbreack you phone it could be disable is that okay with you also?

I couldn't care less. Cracking can be used to access data on the phone that is otherwise secure from intrusion. So, yes. Any mechanism that could protect data I have on my phone is good in my mind.

The patent in question specifically mentions that the kill switch will be used for the identification of “hacking, jailbreaking, unlocking, or removal of a SIM card” so that Apple can take steps to disable phones.

Yeah, I did actually read it. If someone stole my phone and wanted to steal my data or do something else untoward, all of those things (apart from unlocking, at least overtly) could be used to try to access sensitive information and/or reduce the chance of their arrest. Losing the ability to crack my phone means absolutely nothing to me, as I see no value in doing it. My phone is a tool, not a hobby.

Again, I think you're assuming this is a suite of IP protection countermeasures, which I doubt sincerely it is. It sounds much more like an enhancement in the security abilities of MobileMe.

Also, this has nothing to do with flash.

 

[carbonmotion]

Again... as for Flash... it won't be an issue in two years. Even our company is quickly moving everything to HTML5.

Whow there... I disagree with the statement that flash will be a non-issue in two years. You have a ton of big sites like nike.com that are almost 80-90% flash on any given day. HTML5 isn't exactly the most artist friendly platform to develop on yet. Even with html5 being more popular, sites like megavideo.com will drag their feet forever.

 

[AidenShaw]

Whow there... I disagree with the statement that flash will be a non-issue in two years.

Right, and you also must consider whether a ratified HTML5 spec will even exist in two years (it doesn't exist today).

Then, you have to realize what percentage of users will have HTML5 compliant browsers in two years. The commercial websites are not going to move to HTML5 if it means that a big portion of their customer base won't be able to view their websites.

Many people here are extremely naïve if they think that the whole issue is whether the HTML5 video tag is better or worse than exactly the same H.264 video file played in the flash environment. Flash is so much more than a video player.

Let's start a wager on whether the turtlenecked one will allow a Flash player app in the Itunes store... I'll bet on Adobe winning this one in the end. (Apple won't be able to ignore all those Android, Symbian and WinMobile phones being able to see the "whole web", when Apple phones can't....)

 

[carbonmotion]

Let's start a wager on whether the turtlenecked one will allow a Flash player app in the Itunes store... I'll bet on Adobe winning this one in the end. (Apple won't be able to ignore all those Android, Symbian and WinMobile phones being able to see the "whole web", when Apple phones can't....)

I agree as well. IP4 is great in alot of respects, but overall Android is a tad bit better because of swype, widgets, flash video, and the freedom to be on any carrier and still find a equivalent android phone.

 

[Swift]

This is something Kevin Lynch himself admitted in that Engadget interview.

Still, in 2 years time, phone processors might be pushing 2 ghz and this issue will be moot, then they'll be able to chug through a 720p youtube video fine. Neither Apples nor Adobes all-or-nothing attitude is correct but Adobe just stubbornly know that the hardware march of technology waits for no man.

Why chug when you could be speeding through HTML5 and not breaking a sweat?

 

[Swift]

man i really hate to see flash die, even though i know it has its drawbacks. maybe just for mobile its dead? or dead-dead?

Well, just for mobile, but mobile is where the web is still exploding in functionality. Let's say Android and the iPhone pass 300 million soon. Half a billion in a couple of years, etc. -- that's a lot of people who really use the wireless web.

 

[Swift]

if it was only use to protect your information on your phone that fine, but it also says if you jailbreack you phone it could be disable is that okay with you also? im not a gong-ho fan of nobody and i have both the iphone4 and a nexus one, nether apple or google is putting money in my pocket so i can give to **** about witch one is the better company, i use what work for me and thats it, so if i jailbreak MY phone apple might be able to disable it hell no i say.

The patent in question specifically mentions that the kill switch will be used for the identification of “hacking, jailbreaking, unlocking, or removal of a SIM card” so that Apple can take steps to disable phones.

I don't think you realize the implications of the Library of Congress decision that jailbreaking is legal. So Apple can't interfere now, though they haven't so far in three years, so why start now?

Jailbreaks are hacks. They find a flaw that allows a hacker to crash the system, and then write his own code to the root of the phone. Even if that's legal now, the very fact that jailbreaks are hacks, which someone malicious can use to install malware on the computer. So Apple fixes the OS vulnerabilities that make jailbreaking possible. This may or may not make your phone work or not work. To un-jailbreak it, if you were foolish enough to install the patch on a jailbroken phone, is complicated. You've got to go back one OS, undo the jailbreak, and then update. To me, not worth the hassle.

 

[hasanahmad]

This is a dumb article. They focused primarily on Droid 2. Why didnt they focus on devices which are more powerful than the droid 2 like the Galaxy S

 

[saigonnho]

this must be the reason this guy using HTC Evo and getting tired of poor flash, poor design, poor UI..... and decided to buy 2 iphone 4 at the same time
anyone got a caption for this pic ?

"I'd call any Android device the 'Poor Man's iPhone, but you have to spend just as much, if not more, to partake in an increasingly fragmented and inferior platform."
There's no real reason to choose Android, people settle for Android. "I'd have bought an iPhone if Verizon offered them."

 

[KnightWRX]

What they really need to implement is a "click to enable" per flash item on the page itself. That way, if I know there is a flash box that bogs the whole site down, I don't have to enable it.

I really think that's what Jobs should have done for the iphone.

Late to the party much ? That's exactly how it works on Android. You have 3 settings for Flash : Enabled, Disabled and Exactly what you propose.

I guess most people whining here don't realise this.

 

[Fraaaa]

You would have a point if processors were largely static like the environment. But they're not. Ever hear of Moore's law?

The analogy is crap.

Sorry but are you just waiting that technology catch up with flash?

I'm not waiting for it, and so are mobile platforms and Im sure that 2 years of full support to HMTL5 will not help either.

 

[ChazUK]

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this must be the reason this guy using HTC Evo and getting tired of poor flash, poor design, poor UI..... and decided to buy 2 iphone 4 at the same time
anyone got a caption for this pic ?

"I'd call any Android device the 'Poor Man's iPhone, but you have to spend just as much, if not more, to partake in an increasingly fragmented and inferior platform."
There's no real reason to choose Android, people settle for Android. "I'd have bought an iPhone if Verizon offered them."

How about:
"Yo dawg, you're holding it wro..... Oh, sorry man. Carry on."

 

[MorphingDragon]

Late to the party much ? That's exactly how it works on Android. You have 3 settings for Flash : Enabled, Disabled and Exactly what you propose.

I guess most people whining here don't realise this.

UI 101, if its not easy to find it may as well not exist.

 

[Krauser]

Lol at the android haters in this thread and all the superfanboys from apple.

Apple iPhone = No flash at all

Droid 2 = Flash that doesn't run too well

If I had to get to school and I had the option between no car and a car that ran poorly but still did the job, what do you think I would do.

The option to even potentially view something in flash, as bad as it may be, is better than not being able to at all with no possible chance of it happening in the near future.

What am I missing here?

 

[kdarling]

It's a little strange to see one thread talking about Flash being slow at times, right next to another talking about possible updates to fix the sluggishness of iOS4 on older iPhones.

Software takes time to sort out, especially on limited devices. Eventually many of the arguments become moot as the software gets fine-tuned and the hardware advances.

As for Flash going away soon, it wouldn't seem so with all the kid sites my daughter visits, at least. Flash still seems far and away the weapon of choice fo highly interactive web apps.

(Some of us have said for years that if Apple were really serious about HTML5, then they might consider creating a decent HTML5 IDE for content creators.)

 

[MorphingDragon]

What am I missing here?

That it would be faster to walk than to go in a car which will break down half way.