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Flash Player Performance on Droid 2 Found to Be Hit-or-Miss at Best

Too bad...

No wonder Adobe gave up the fight to bring Flash to the iPhone. Too much legal expenses for nothing.
I would say, if flash is very slow on a fast desktop, imagine it on a phone!

On the other side, most websites have abused flash, by placing multiple flash ads. I remember a while ago, I couldn't browse the AnandTech website on my Windows laptop, as it was overloaded with Flash content.

So there are two sides to the problem of performance.
 
Fraaaa said:
Are you saying something like:

We have petrol cars and they pollute, then we start to use electric cars and we make them better and better, but at some point we look back and say, "now the enviroment got clean, lets use petrol cars again!".

(?)
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That's what Adobe are hoping :p
 
smetvid said:
Wow what a shocker! a web based application designed on and optimized for desktop computers may run a bit slower on a phone. How could any person on the planet have expected any different?
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I'm not unimpressed with what they've achieved, but I think you're making my own argument for me: why do I want to run desktop-specific apps on my phone if they're going to be slow and clunky, possibly unusable?

Adobe spent all this time making mobile Flash, presumably so Android devices could harness all of the existing Flash out there, but apparently it harnesses very little. Web devs will still have to deploy custom mobile versions of their flash stuff.

I think Adobe's fear is that without a mobile Flash, web devs would deploy the custom mobile stuff using things other than Flash, and they didn't want Flash devs spending any time migrating away from the Adobe development ecosystem. However, since "old flash" doesn't really work well on mobile Flash, and everyone needs to make "mobile friendly" flash (essentially: new Flash), why didn't Adobe just make a completely different mobile platform, which wasn't necessarily fully compatible with existing Flash, but used the same or very similar development tools? They could have gotten it done earlier, kept devs in their ecosystem, and avoided this whole "well, this site works like crap, but this one is ok" business that's only going to make Flash look fragmented and bad.
 
I don't understand all the fanboyism against Adobe is here. At least users are being given the choice here; flash works perfectly on Android for inline content; jerky performance in some areas is better than no performance at all over on Apple's side of the fence!
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_0_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/532.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.5 Mobile/8A400 Safari/6531.22.7)

I know I've said it before, but as soon as the Porn industry dumps flash, it'll be gone within a year. That's really the only thing keeping it alive right now.

So maybe Adobe can just go back make a Flash based OS and put it on a bunch of different phones. Then they can brag about how good it runs on a mobile platform.

fOS - watch for it.

LanPhantom
 
sigma8 said:
I'd also like to add "clearly" because it's a fun extra word to say that doesn't really add to an argument.
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You could also add the the word "period," in a separate sentence. That's popular on these forums when wanting to say nobody else can argue with you. Period. ;)
 
RetepNamenots said:
I don't understand all the fanboyism against Adobe is here. At least users are being given the choice here; flash works perfectly on Android for inline content; jerky performance in some areas is better than no performance at all over on Apple's side of the fence!
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Hi fanboy.
 
MacRumors said:
Over three years after the launch of the original iPhone, it appears that Adobe has yet to find a way to deliver a quality Flash experience on mobile platforms.
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Let me fix this for you.

MacRumors said:
Over three days after the launch of the first phone with built in flash, it appears that Adobe has yet to find a way to deliver a quality Flash experience on mobile platforms that works 100% of the time.
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Seriously, sloppy coding is sloppy coding. I was having trouble loading Fox.com on a macbook pro, and 2 dells, a few months ago. That has nothing to do with Flash, that's News Corp all the way.

Could this site get any more biased and blatently fanboi-ish? This isn't even Apple news, let along competitor news. This is just bashing other websites and spun into flash hate. My girlfriend has a droid 2 and it works fine on NYTimes.com
 
well get google,apple, and every browser maker to the table and have them agree on a video codec for use with html5 then some of the problem will be solve and then we can all enjoy the web in all its glory,

mozilla wants vorbis and ogg ( completly open source)

google wants vb8 ( completly open source)

apple wants H.264 (close source)
 
thejadedmonkey said:
Could this site get any more biased and blatently fanboi-ish?
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LMAO

Look at all the variants of this label.

You can tell when some news has struck a nerve...

Don't be so defensive about flash. Its just some software. I mean its not like your paycheck depends on its success right?
 
It's all very fine speculation. But just like native blu-ray support, once Steve has decided, it just ain't gonna happen, even if Adobe should manage to put together a working, viable mobile version of Flash.

And trust me as a Designer... authoring in Flash is even more of a pain in the a** than running Flash. You need the heart of an artist and the brain of a coder to do anything even remotely complex in Flash.
 
Did you really think...

...that Steve Jobs led Apple out of its circa 1996 ashes to become one of the world's most valuable and valued brands by being full of crap and pontificating emotion to the world? People might not like his style or what he has to say, but those fragile, dainty, emo-ridden egos aside, that doesn't mean he's wrong.
 
Why do we have to have a product that is clunky and a hog? I understand that HTML5 can't do all the things Flash does yet, but come on, lets move into the future a bit faster considering our phones are mini computers now.
 
I'm not surprised.

In all honesty, you can find poorly written, unoptimized banner ads that consume an entire core of an Intel Core 2 Duo. Then, you'll have other ads that are relatively benign in comparison and just gnaw on 5% of a single core.

This has been the case for as long as I remember. This is unsurprising, as most programmers - regardless of language or tools - are woefully average at best. They just worry about shipping to make their boss happy, not optimizing for performance and battery life, and then templating what they managed for reuse. Great programmers do, but they're only 1-2% of the labor pool.

Jobs knows that most programmers suck. Gates has said very similar things (possibly even more harshly). Allowing Flash eliminates a huge barrier for crappy programmers to get over, which if they could, ruin the overall experience. Unfortunately this is a case where the large majority of bad apples effectively remove an option for those who don't suck (and yes, I realize most app store apps are trash - I've downloaded a dozen at best).
 
Fraaaa said:
Are you saying something like:

We have petrol cars and they pollute, then we start to use electric cars and we make them better and better, but at some point we look back and say, "now the enviroment got clean, lets use petrol cars again!".

(?)
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What is the point of your analogy? Technology advances even if flash did not exist. In case you havent noticed, EVERYTHING runs slow on a mobile. Even simple web pages take a lot longer to load on a my phone than on a desktop.

Oh and btw... as microprocessor technology advances, they get more efficient, so your analogy is useless.
 
icarus81187 said:
Considering this is MACrumors.com, I'm really frustrated that people even care about other platforms on here. Seriously. Keep it relevant to the name of the site.
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Believe it or not, there really are peripheral issues that are relevant.
For example, how can Justice and EU continue their Flash witch hunt against Apple in light of this?
 
Meh - I want to watch something with Flash using my Nexus, I'll just use its built-in mobile hotspot and my data plan to tether it directly to my laptop, since I rarely travel without a laptop. Then the only bottleneck is whether or not the connection is Edge or 3G, and how well the laptop itself renders Flash. T-Mobile only gives me a bother if I stream over 10GB of data per month, and that's a lot of Hulu-at-the-airport-time before I'd ever hit that.

I like the philosophical choice of Flash on my mobile better than the actual implementation of it - especially since Hulu won't stream to mobile without a hack anyway, Netflix uses Silverlight and is working on its own Android player, and there's already a dedicated YouTube app.

I'm sure Flash pushes out a lot of pretty adverts and enables some additional functionality on non-mobile optimized Web sites, but I really can't stand watching actual content on small mobile screens anyhow - it hurts my pushing-40 eyes (hence the tether-to-laptop that I usually do).
 
thejadedmonkey said:
Let me fix this for you.



Seriously, sloppy coding is sloppy coding. I was having trouble loading Fox.com on a macbook pro, and 2 dells, a few months ago. That has nothing to do with Flash, that's News Corp all
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No, it has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that Flash is a tool for amateurs that as often as not produces amateurish results. And that sloppiness pollutes the stream in a way that reflects poorly whole platform. Apple has simply decided to stop being made to look bad by others' sloppiness.
 
ten-oak-druid said:
LMAO

Look at all the variants of this label.

You can tell when some news has struck a nerve...

Don't be so defensive about flash. Its just some software. I mean its not like your paycheck depends on its success right?
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Compare this thread to the current thread. See what I mean when I say that site isn't about Apple anymore. This probably belongs in site feedback, but w/e
 
Consumer Reports

Where is Consumer Reports when it comes to Adobe and Google who promised us how Flash will provide us the same usability, functionality and performance that we see on Desktops. Why aren't they doing any testing to see whether FLASH works or not with Droid phones.

I guess those bigots are sleeping!!!
 
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