But I know you don't like it; but what else is there to say? You're allowed to not like it. I just think Apple is within its rights to do what they want and I am still free to take it or leave it and I know that stamping my feet online about it would be a waste of time. Apple has no incentive to change. I am fine with that. Those who can't get over that can be as demanding and petulant as they want; I don't see where it gets them. Getting angry with the motivations of someone you'll never meet (SJ) is a waste of one's finite time.
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Flash Soon to Hit the iPad?
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But I know you don't like it; but what else is there to say? You're allowed to not like it. I just think Apple is within its rights to do what they want and I am still free to take it or leave it and I know that stamping my feet online about it would be a waste of time. Apple has no incentive to change. I am fine with that. Those who can't get over that can be as demanding and petulant as they want; I don't see where it gets them. Getting angry with the motivations of someone you'll never meet (SJ) is a waste of one's finite time.
So, we now go from the " don't like it, buy something else" to the "apple can do what they want" argument.
Which still doesn't change the fact that the reason it's not available, in fact, has nothing to do with battery drain or technology.
Actually, if you read the link I provided earlier, html5 is not progressing quickly at all. And from what I read here on macrumours, full html5 is not supported at all. Just playback.
When you look at the grand scheem of things, iOS devices are the vast minority of internet capable devices. The fact that this small segment of devices is not convincing programmers. Most are crossing their hands are waiting for apple to put flash in their device.
The amount of down votes that I received from the thread I made is making it out as if I am the bad guy here.
Let me say this.
I HATE flash and want HTML 5 to beat out flash as soon as it can.
BUT!
I find myself switching back to my macbook to do some intensive web searching that I find requires flash and I don't want to keep doing that.
There are a lot of people who want to use the iPad as a laptop replacement.
With The Post PC update Apple has announced with iCloud and the iOS update soon to come, we can finally not have the iPad leech over our computers.
I am just saying that no flash holds a lot of people back from the decision of using the iPad as a laptop replacement.
I have come to know that if Apple does put out flash as an option this will decrease sales from the app store so this is understandable.
But when most games work under HTML5 on websites this decrease of sales will happen anyway.
Now the app store takes much off the need of flash because of it's wide range of apps but I am just stating that it wouldn't be bad to have Flash off with the option to turn it on if needed.
Or Tap to Flash just like the Click to Flash that you can find under Safari Extensions on the computer.
And by soon I don't mean in the iOS 5 update but a decision Apple could make within further updates of iOS 5.
Anything can happen is what I am saying.
Let me say this.
I HATE flash and want HTML 5 to beat out flash as soon as it can.
BUT!
I find myself switching back to my macbook to do some intensive web searching that I find requires flash and I don't want to keep doing that.
There are a lot of people who want to use the iPad as a laptop replacement.
With The Post PC update Apple has announced with iCloud and the iOS update soon to come, we can finally not have the iPad leech over our computers.
I am just saying that no flash holds a lot of people back from the decision of using the iPad as a laptop replacement.
I have come to know that if Apple does put out flash as an option this will decrease sales from the app store so this is understandable.
But when most games work under HTML5 on websites this decrease of sales will happen anyway.
Now the app store takes much off the need of flash because of it's wide range of apps but I am just stating that it wouldn't be bad to have Flash off with the option to turn it on if needed.
Or Tap to Flash just like the Click to Flash that you can find under Safari Extensions on the computer.
And by soon I don't mean in the iOS 5 update but a decision Apple could make within further updates of iOS 5.
Anything can happen is what I am saying.
Apple could please everyone by having Flash installed but off by default, throw up a big warning when you activate it and be done. Nope, it's a pissing match at this point, and to the disadvantage of a large percentage of users, we'll never see it.
There's absolutely no disadvantage to having it available (even as a separate download/install) and the fanboys can't argue there is. If you don't want it, don't turn it on and stop dicking it up for those who do. The haters are more interested in being in Steve's child army against the great evil Adobe. Pathetic.
Edit to add: What's really pathetic is the real probable reason behind this pissing match is that Apple knows the amount of Flash based games and utilities that would flourish if Flash was allowed on OS and the child army is only to happy to champion this cause putting more money into Steve's pocket and creating a lesser experience for a large percentage of users. Way to think for your selves.
There's absolutely no disadvantage to having it available (even as a separate download/install) and the fanboys can't argue there is. If you don't want it, don't turn it on and stop dicking it up for those who do. The haters are more interested in being in Steve's child army against the great evil Adobe. Pathetic.
Edit to add: What's really pathetic is the real probable reason behind this pissing match is that Apple knows the amount of Flash based games and utilities that would flourish if Flash was allowed on OS and the child army is only to happy to champion this cause putting more money into Steve's pocket and creating a lesser experience for a large percentage of users. Way to think for your selves.
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Fully agree with the last two posts.
Take this major UK website aimed directly at 0-6 year old children:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/
Their technical help page for adults explains it as follows:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/webwise/guides/about-flash
As kids won't understand why they cant watch their programs or play their games on the website make specifically for them, and which ties up with their own BBC TV programs aimed at very young children.
I'm assuming that they wanted/want to use one official/finished/supported technology that gave/give all all encompassing environment for children to use, with children's videos, games, animation etc which are all officially approved, as it's the BBC and not some small private developer.
It's the type of area a parent knows they can 100% safely lave their children to play on and watch and every piece of the website will have been carefully vetted as being suitable and safe for their youngsters.
Take this major UK website aimed directly at 0-6 year old children:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/
Their technical help page for adults explains it as follows:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/webwise/guides/about-flash
As kids won't understand why they cant watch their programs or play their games on the website make specifically for them, and which ties up with their own BBC TV programs aimed at very young children.
I'm assuming that they wanted/want to use one official/finished/supported technology that gave/give all all encompassing environment for children to use, with children's videos, games, animation etc which are all officially approved, as it's the BBC and not some small private developer.
It's the type of area a parent knows they can 100% safely lave their children to play on and watch and every piece of the website will have been carefully vetted as being suitable and safe for their youngsters.
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Can you please point me to the CBeebies App for the iPad where kids can watch their TV Shows, play the games that have been created for them, and the colouring in images also?
I can't seem to find it
I have iPlayer of course, but that's not a kids thing, it's just a generic video playback app that happens to show some kids shows. It's not an app specifically designed for them, and supporting all the content on the CBeebies web site.
It's a shame for the kids to be missing out.
The app player shows just as many shows on catchup as the flash website version does.
In regards to the kids games, well obviously that's not going to work as its programmed only for flash .... But even in a flash environment, it's unstable.
Another good work around for flash if you want your kids to draw is to go and buy some crayons and some paper. This doesn't rely on the children needing exspensive tech for some thing many kids have been able to do for hundreds of years without the need of such 3rd party expensive technology.
In regards to the kids games, well obviously that's not going to work as its programmed only for flash .... But even in a flash environment, it's unstable.
Another good work around for flash if you want your kids to draw is to go and buy some crayons and some paper. This doesn't rely on the children needing exspensive tech for some thing many kids have been able to do for hundreds of years without the need of such 3rd party expensive technology.
No, they couldn't.
They wouldn't "please" the millions of kids who use Club Penguin - for the very simple reason that the Flash app that runs that particular site relies extensively on MouseOver events: You position the mouse cursor over a character or an object and its name or some instructions pop up.
THERE IS NO WAY TO IMPLEMENT THIS ON A TOUCHSCREEN DEVICE.
The fact that Flash "assumes" everyone accessing a website is going to be using a device with a mouse is, perhaps, the biggest tipoff to not only its age as a platform, but also its fundamental unsuitability for use on Touchscreen devices.
People are making the assumption that a) All Apple needs to do is "pull a switch" and magically Flash will work on iOS. and b) that Apple's failure to do so is the result of greed and/or personal animosity on the part of Steve Jobs.
If a person chooses to go through life both ignorant and paranoid - then I feel very sorry for them. There's nothing much more I can say.
So design a pressure sensitive touch screen.
It's actually very feasible for the iPad to already emulate a touch sensitive screen already.
With a bit of modification to the driver.
If the will was there is's pretty easy really without any hardware changes.
It's actually very feasible for the iPad to already emulate a touch sensitive screen already.
With a bit of modification to the driver.
If the will was there is's pretty easy really without any hardware changes.
Or stop using mouse overs.
Fact is, you won't have a rich interactive Internet experience on an iOs device.
Just drab and boring.
He has turned Appe into the bg brother of the famous Apple ad.
If you don't like it, go and buy enough shares in adobe and get them to change their policy.
Flash is owned by adobe, the main key reason to why apple removed flash from its ios devices was because adobe has failed to show it can supply a copy of flash that doesn't have negative aspects to the hardware.
Flash is owned by adobe, the main key reason to why apple removed flash from its ios devices was because adobe has failed to show it can supply a copy of flash that doesn't have negative aspects to the hardware.
i've had an iPhone since launch and iPad since launch and not once come across a site where i have needed flash. the only flash i encountered that didn't work was flash ads, which is a bonus for me!
Apple told Adobe to make flash work better on Apple devices, Adobe hasn't as yet, therefore the ball is still in Adobe's court.
Are we blaming the wrong people here?
Flash was developed years ago when computers were not as fast as they are today. Over the years Flash has advanced, and I guess become a more rich environment to work and create in, at the same time computers have become more powerful to support this.
With of course the aid of direct GPU access to speed up the graphics of what Flash can offer the user/consumer.
So all was well with the world.
Then a manufacturer (apple) created a new product, the iPad which was a very slow and low powered device, by PC standards of the day, and we expect Adobe to magically make their product run on it.
That's a bit unfair don't you think?
It's not Adobe's fault hat the iPad is such a low performing device compared against the devices that Flash was originally created to run on.
That's like blaming Adobe for the fact that Photoshop won't run on the iPad.
It's not Photoshop's fault the iPad is too slow a device is it?
Flash was never designed to run on something like this in the 1st place.
Perhaps we should look for the iPad in future years to grow in power up to the point where it can support Flash as opposed to looking at it the other way round as we are doing now?
I'm not knocking the iPad, I'm just stating facts.
We don't blame other software products for the fact they can't be recoded perfectly to run on the iPad, we accept that the iPad is not powerful enough to run them.
Hopefully in time, perhaps iPad4 or iPad5 the tablet will be up to the task of running Flash well.
Flash was developed years ago when computers were not as fast as they are today. Over the years Flash has advanced, and I guess become a more rich environment to work and create in, at the same time computers have become more powerful to support this.
With of course the aid of direct GPU access to speed up the graphics of what Flash can offer the user/consumer.
So all was well with the world.
Then a manufacturer (apple) created a new product, the iPad which was a very slow and low powered device, by PC standards of the day, and we expect Adobe to magically make their product run on it.
That's a bit unfair don't you think?
It's not Adobe's fault hat the iPad is such a low performing device compared against the devices that Flash was originally created to run on.
That's like blaming Adobe for the fact that Photoshop won't run on the iPad.
It's not Photoshop's fault the iPad is too slow a device is it?
Flash was never designed to run on something like this in the 1st place.
Perhaps we should look for the iPad in future years to grow in power up to the point where it can support Flash as opposed to looking at it the other way round as we are doing now?
I'm not knocking the iPad, I'm just stating facts.
We don't blame other software products for the fact they can't be recoded perfectly to run on the iPad, we accept that the iPad is not powerful enough to run them.
Hopefully in time, perhaps iPad4 or iPad5 the tablet will be up to the task of running Flash well.