Yeah, I tried countless mice, receivers, different brands, steermouse, all of these things and absolutely nothing changed. The second I started using windows again clicking around with the mouse felt so much snappier and responsive, none of that floaty feeling. It has to be something to do with fundamentally how Mac OS handles external mice, it's clearly designed with trackpads in mind and it's just something that even with years of use I could never get used to.
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eltoslightfoot
macrumors 68040
I do love me some Logitech Gaming Mice. Right now I am using a G502 Wireless Lightspeed. Due to wanting an ergonomic keyboard that isn't gigantic (and is mechanical but low profile) I pair it with a Keychron K15 Pro. But Logitech is really good at the peripherals game. I remember having one WAY back in the day that had a little LCD screen that could show you the song playing on Winamp. It was awesome.
This was it: https://aphnetworks.com/reviews/logitech_g19
Steve Adams
macrumors 68000
I think I had that keyboard. I like the mx keys/master 3 combo. I don't get the mechanical thing either. Other than being able to change your key caps to make it look different. I don't get it. I am way way slower typing on a mechanical keyboard compared to my current membrane lower travel models. And damn, that clacking noise gets old quick when you are writing a script or book.
eltoslightfoot
macrumors 68040
Yeah I guess. I am way faster on my low profile mechanical. I have tested the noise, as it is the cherry brown keys, and it is about the same as a membrane keyboard.
That said, I rocked a Microsoft Sculpt keyboard for a decade or so and it was fine. What I have now is just better.
Steve Adams
macrumors 68000
The only mechanicals I have used are the Lenovo at our sales systems and a few gaming ones. All were crap to type on. Not sure how the mx mech is
I've used Cherry MX Blues for about fifteen years. They are loud, clicky and require a lot of force to hit the keys but I love the feedback. I am fine with the keyboards on the Apple Silicon MacBook Pros and the Lenovo keyboards. I'd rank the Lenovo keyboards better as there's more key travel. The MacBook Pro keyboards have less travel but a more solid click feel.
UliBaer
macrumors 65816
My brand new work laptop (got it yesterday) is a Lenovo T16 Gen 3 with Core Ultra 7 155U, 32 GB RAM and 1TB SSD. I have to admit, this one feels like the best Laptop, I've ever had! Completely slick black, keyboard background lighted, absolutely sexy to the touch and no way feeling cheap. The system running fedora 42 with KDE and once again, this is the best laptop, I ever had and I'm approaching 63, so I've seen a lot of work gear in my life as a principal consultant! 👍
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
I'm a big fan of thinkpads, though I'm not a fan of their backlighting.
This specs on the CPU are in the sweetspot for business, students and productivity users. Geekbench multicore of 8,000 is base M1 or Neo range and it's similar to my Yoga in battery saver mode. Apple keeps improving the performance of Apple Silicon and the multicore scores are really nuts but the vast majority of consumers do not need those high scores. I've been a pro user in the past but any Apple Silicon base CPU has enough CPU and GPU for me. The problem with the base models is RAM options, SSD speeds (before M5), monitor support and the number of ports.
Which gives AMD and Intel a lot of sales because they can't keep up with Apple Silicon in performance but they don't really need to. That's why the launch of the Neo is really great. The Neo CPU is good enough for the vast majority. There are some limitations, deliberate in my opinion, that will get people to upgrade to an Air but, for those that are truly price constrained, it's a great option.
A lot of people like the aluminum chassis and associate it with being more premium than plastic. My Yoga has a metal case and it feels premium along with my MacBooks. But that plastic case gives you something that feels more premium outside of touch and visual appearance and that's lower weight. Your T-16 is 3.6 pounds which is fantastic for a 16 inch laptop. The MacBook Pro 14 is 3.5 pounds and the MacBook Pro 16 is 4.7 pounds.
Steve Adams
macrumors 68000
I am having trouble finding a 14 inch windows based laptop with the specs I want. I am thinking the only one would be the razer 14. Thin and light, good graphics power, decent battery life with the gpu disabled on battery, micro SD slot so I can use adapters in my cameras and nice display. No touchscreen though. I use it for scrubbing video on my laptop and desktop as it is way more functional for me.
Other than that it's all cheap garbage out there. The A16 is decent but it's a 16 inch laptop. I think the X2 xtreme processor is a winner though.
Other than that it's all cheap garbage out there. The A16 is decent but it's a 16 inch laptop. I think the X2 xtreme processor is a winner though.
I'm on r/Lenovo and one thing that I see often is people that don't understand CPUs make the wrong decision and then complain about the result. When I try to explain, they state that the CPU stuff is too confusing. It is because you have to know the characteristics of the CPU that you're looking at and that seems to be beyond a lot of people.
On r/mac, there are a ton of people that ask. They state their use case and you have to ask them a bunch of questions but it's refreshing when people ask and research instead of just buying. There are those that buy the wrong thing the first time but they often come back when it's time to upgrade to ask.
I didn't know that you got the Snapdragon. I think that the Geekbench multicore on that is pretty high.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
Horrible support, I'd stay away from them.
I've owned their laptops, and I love the design, don't get me wrong, but its horrible dealing with them.
To be fair, I think that's partly because Apple makes their line up extremely streamlined and obvious. M5, M5 Pro, M5 Max, the naming convention on everything from intel/AMD/snapdragon is always dreadful, I'm not surprised people end up buying the wrong thing.
Loads of people end up buying the wrong Apple device too to be fair. People buy the base spec and then run out of storage/RAM or people are wildly over speccing for their needs, you see it all the time on these forums 'Hi I just bought a m5 max 128tb 8tb do you think it'll be ok for e-mail and watching netflix?'
Steve Adams
macrumors 68000
I don't have a snapdragon....yet. I am very interested in them, but have not pulled the trigger. I am holding off until the x2 become more readily available. I was hoping Asus was going to put the Xtreme into the A14.
Steve Adams
macrumors 68000
And one of the main reasons why I apprehensive about them. Same goes for Asus. I don't know why it's so hard for a windows based laptop to have the same overall package as the macbook pro. If that was a windows laptop I would have one now.
A part of it is ARM vs x86. It takes a lot of decoder logic to deal with variable-length instructions.
Steve Adams
macrumors 68000
No @pshufd I am talking about the hardware package. Windows manufacturers have powerful 14 inch laptops. but the leave out the ports. then they have other systems who are not powerful at all and have all the ports. Use my dell laptop here.
I have an inspiron 5406 2 in 1. It has a tb4 port, 2 usb A ports, a HDMI and a full sized sd card reader. the xps 13 of the same generation had 2 USB C ports and that's it. More expensive, less features. The only other difference with that system compared to mine was the oled panel.
Fast forward today and the new XPS 14 has only 3 USB C ports while the MBP has a full sized sd reader and HDMI with 2 or 3 USB C ports.
Come on WINDOWS manufacturers get with it.
I have an inspiron 5406 2 in 1. It has a tb4 port, 2 usb A ports, a HDMI and a full sized sd card reader. the xps 13 of the same generation had 2 USB C ports and that's it. More expensive, less features. The only other difference with that system compared to mine was the oled panel.
Fast forward today and the new XPS 14 has only 3 USB C ports while the MBP has a full sized sd reader and HDMI with 2 or 3 USB C ports.
Come on WINDOWS manufacturers get with it.
eltoslightfoot
macrumors 68040
My Lenovo Legion comes with onsite support. So they will supposedly come to me and fix it! I live in the middle of nowhere, so it should be interesting if they ever have to fix it. 😀
As much as I am pissed off with Apple as a whole, I think their whole M-series chips completely took the PC industry by surprise and to this day nobody has an answer for it. Apple was already miles ahead on things like trackpads/screens/speakers and they made all their mistakes with Ive with stupid butterfly keyboards, the touch bar laptops that were too thin to actually cool things.
It was a really wise move to make the laptops thicker and add back a decent selection of ports.
I have had horrible luck with M-series laptop reliability but it looks like I am in the minority and for most people they seem to last quite well.
I recently built a desktop PC because I don't actually need to use a laptop, just had preferred it but in desktop land you can obviously build a PC that absolutely destroys any laptop, macbook or not.
But I would still like a laptop for the times that I am mobile and wanted to get a PC one, but like you I found the situation frustrating and for me, it always just leads back to a macbook air/pro.
If you want thin and light, portable, you either get a PC laptop that has a **** screen, keyboard and speakers or you spent WAY more for something like a Thinkpad X1 carbon, even if the thinkpad is good a new one is like £2.5k and the performance is worse than an M5 macbook air.
If you want performance, windows laptops quickly start getting into the realms of £3-4k when you can get a macbook pro m5 pro for £2199.
As much as I wanted to get a windows laptop and actually do prefer windows, they just don't have anything that competes on price and performance at the moment.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
Not for nothing, MacBook Pros are in the same price range as those performance laptops you mention
Steve Adams
macrumors 68000
Well, this is not quite true. Many windows laptops can match and beat macbooks for performance. Overall package however, I don't know of many. You get monster performance out of gaming laptops, but the battery life is meh. You can get great battery life with great cpu performance on windows, but graphics performance is meh.
So outright performance windows systems are more powerful than apple. But apple has the best compromise of everything.
Really? If you can find me something that is on performance parity with the m5 pro macbook pro 14 inch, has the same quality speakers, screen, touchpad, keyboard, ports and is similar thickness to the Macbook Pro, for the same price (as the base m5 pro macbook pro, so £2199). I'd genuinely be really interested, I've been looking for ages. I don't want to keep buying macbook pros.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
Just ask chatgpt,
I did and it spit out a list, including from Asus, Lenovo, HP. Each maker has its plusses and minusess, you have to decide if they fit your needs or not
A for instance the ASUS ROG Zephyrus G14 is an excellent laptop, highly rated and well priced.
My point is there's alternatives, whether you're willing to accept them or not, is up to you and as its your money
Right, so you don't have any examples, not that I'm surprised, I've been looking for months extensively at all the major brands, 'just ask chatgpt' 🙄
G14 has a mechanical track pad which is a no go for me.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
You seem worked up over this, its not a big deal, and personally I really don't care what you do and don't do. I offered some examples, you don't like them, fair enough.