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Flip Flopping between macOS and Windows

maflynn said:
You seem worked up over this, its not a big deal, and personally I really don't care what you do and don't do. I offered some examples, you don't like them, fair enough.
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Apple owns Geekbench 5 single-core and multi-core. I don't keep up with GPU performance because it's not an issue with me. But in the x86 world, you get battery life or performance. In the macOS world, you get both or a combination of the two. If you can live with one, the other, or a blend, then you can live with Windows. If you want both, you go with Mac. It seems to be an architectural limitation of CISC and variable-length instruction sets.

The vast majority of consumers do not need the CPU horsepower of M3, M4, M5 so Windows systems still sell really well.
 
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maflynn said:
Panther lake offers both and in a surprising move, the igpu gaming performance is surprisingly strong
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I've not had any experience with Panther Lake and have not seen enough reviews to make a determination but I suspect the architectural differences between x86 and ARM still impose a significant performance/efficiency penalty on Panther Lake.
 
maflynn said:
You seem worked up over this, its not a big deal, and personally I really don't care what you do and don't do. I offered some examples, you don't like them, fair enough.
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It's not a big deal at all no, but answering 'ask chatGPT' admittedly does rub me up the wrong way, comes across as quite patronising.
 
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leemkule said:
but answering 'ask chatGPT' admittedly does rub me up the wrong way, comes across as quite patronising.
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Why? I use it all of the time, its generally the best way to get concise answers - they need to be validated but overall its a tool that has helped me on a daily basis
 
maflynn said:
Why? I use it all of the time, its generally the best way to get concise answers - they need to be validated but overall its a tool that has helped me on a daily basis
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I've been in discussions on this and it has been turning up more and more and what we decided in one particular forum was to identify when you are using an AI response. I personally think that AI responses are obvious but there are those that can't tell the difference.

I was looking for reviews of the Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 14 this morning on YouTube as they are for sale now though not in the United States. So I was hoping that there were reviews from owners in other countries.

I looked at about 10 videos and they were all AI reviews of known information and marketing literature. What I was looking for is subjective impressions of using one and that's one of the problems with AI. I wish that YouTube had a switch to exclude AI generated content. I do not mind when a podcaster uses AI to get information for reference because the podcaster adds the personality and reputation to the presentation.

I did not find any reviews of the new Thinkpad that weren't done by AI and I guess I'll just have to wait. A lot of laptop reviews are done by US reviewers and I'm not sure why that's the case. I don't mind normally but the US seems to be pretty late in countries getting this particular model. What's strange is that they are making the CPUs in the United States.
 
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pshufd said:
I've been in discussions on this and it has been turning up more and more and what we decided in one particular forum was to identify when you are using an AI response. I personally think that AI responses are obvious but there are those that can't tell the difference.

I was looking for reviews of the Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 14 this morning on YouTube as they are for sale now though not in the United States. So I was hoping that there were reviews from owners in other countries.

I looked at about 10 videos and they were all AI reviews of known information and marketing literature. What I was looking for is subjective impressions of using one and that's one of the problems with AI. I wish that YouTube had a switch to exclude AI generated content. I do not mind when a podcaster uses AI to get information for reference because the podcaster adds the personality and reputation to the presentation.

I did not find any reviews of the new Thinkpad that weren't done by AI and I guess I'll just have to wait. A lot of laptop reviews are done by US reviewers and I'm not sure why that's the case. I don't mind normally but the US seems to be pretty late in countries getting this particular model. What's strange is that they are making the CPUs in the United States.
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There is so much Ai slop on YouTube now it's rediculous.
 
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pshufd said:
I've not had any experience with Panther Lake and have not seen enough reviews to make a determination but I suspect the architectural differences between x86 and ARM still impose a significant performance/efficiency penalty on Panther Lake.
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Actually they don't. The new x7 and x9 processors give very apple like performance in both cpu and GPU performance as well as battery life.
 
pshufd said:
I've not had any experience with Panther Lake and have not seen enough reviews to make a determination but I suspect the architectural differences between x86 and ARM still impose a significant performance/efficiency penalty on Panther Lake.
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Actually they don't. The new x7 and x9 processors give very apple like performance in both cpu and GPU performance as well as battery life

Apple M5 vs Intel Core Ultra X9 388H - Benchmark, comparison and differences

Apple M5 vs Intel Core Ultra X9 388H – Benchmarks, Specifications & Comparison. Which CPU is faster, more efficient, and better for gaming & productivity?
www.cpu-monkey.com www.cpu-monkey.com

Apple is a little faster at single core. Panther Lake is faster for multicore and GPU. Battery life are very close to each other.
 
Steve Adams said:
Actually they don't. The new x7 and x9 processors give very apple like performance in both cpu and GPU performance as well as battery life

Apple M5 vs Intel Core Ultra X9 388H - Benchmark, comparison and differences

Apple M5 vs Intel Core Ultra X9 388H – Benchmarks, Specifications & Comparison. Which CPU is faster, more efficient, and better for gaming & productivity?
www.cpu-monkey.com www.cpu-monkey.com

Apple is a little faster at single core. Panther Lake is faster for multicore and GPU. Battery life are very close to each other.
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That compares the top of the line Panther Lake to the base M5. How does it compare to the M5 Max?
 
maflynn said:
Why? I use it all of the time, its generally the best way to get concise answers - they need to be validated but overall its a tool that has helped me on a daily basis
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Yeah I figure if I am going to doublecheck the answer anyway, might as well just research it myself.

I do use Copilot (the only one we can use at my work) for deep research as an assistant. And maybe that's similar to how you use it honestly. Like I am moving from OLAP cubes to Azure Data Factory and Databricks. I ask Copilot for an overview (with sources) then read all the sources...this gives me better prompt information and then allows me to research more sources. Etc., etc.,

It's not a bad way to go, but for general information, I tend to not trust it as it leaves a lot of information out and straight up hallucinates.
 
Steve Adams said:
Let's compare GPU. My 2070 super beats m3 studios. It's all silly.
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Exactly. Taking the GPU out of the equation doesn't really make sense. It's a huge advantage for the high end Windows machines.

I have 3 Windows machines (and probably a 4th--Asus 14 inch gaming laptop with a 3060) that vastly outperform most Macs, especially when you factor in GPUs. I think you basically have to get to the M5 Max to beat my laptop 5090 and even then it depends on the metric. Many of the stats are shockingly in favor of the Nvidia GPU. At these prices both architectures will do what you ask (as long as you don't ask the M5 Max to get nuts with gaming--it ain't happening compared to even a 5070Ti).

But yes, it is silly. Macs are good these days (as long as you buy the right one for your needs) and Windows machines are good as well (as long as you also buy the one for your needs).

Choose the best one for your needs.
 
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maflynn said:
This is one aspect that apple has fallen behind, but in a sense its not fair to compare desktop. I think apple improved things on the M5 GPU,
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We're still waiting for the M5 Ultra. The design change to separate the CPU and GPU may enable much more powerful designs. Apple may need a bigger chassis for additional power and cooling too.
 
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maflynn said:
This is one aspect that apple has fallen behind, but in a sense its not fair to compare desktop. I think apple improved things on the M5 GPU,
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I don't know. Apple's chips are freaking amazing. Yes, a windows pc with dedicated gpus are much more powerful, but they really are astonishing.
 
pshufd said:
We're still waiting for the M5 Ultra. The design change to separate the CPU and GPU may enable much more powerful designs. Apple may need a bigger chassis for additional power and cooling too.
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A mini Pro chasis would be killer. Like 1/4 sized. lots of airflow with good quality fans.
 
pshufd said:
High-end CPU/GPU PCs are putting in KW+ PSUs these days. Apple can't compete with that with the Mac Studio.

I've never had a Mac Pro and don't know what the PSUs are like on them but they might need a full tower for much more power.

Bring back the old cheesegrater.
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I don't care what power is pulled or saved in desktop environments. I use them to get stuff done. I always thought that argument is silly. It's plugged into the wall, give me the power to do stuff.

They (apple) already had it with the pro. But I think more airflow in an enclosure a little larger than the studio would be fine. MINI CHEESE GRATER!
 
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You know what? If Macs were still the pre M1 Macs, do you think this thread is still going? Like part of the reason that Mac is so compelling is that since the release of the M1, it actually kind of kicks butt. It lasts forever, and is still powerful at most things (except gaming).

Still, it's all Windows for me at this point.
 
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Bootcamp would be killer now! I remember on my old intel Mini, I boot camp'ed windows 7 on it. Worked great. Had OSX and Windows on the same system. Had the 27 inch cinema monitor, the mini with a 256gb SSD and a 1TB HDD in it, with the apple keyboard and mouse and it was a great system. I was more into gaming then however so I had my Gaming PC right next to it and used it 99 percent of the time so I sold off the Apple system.

I would buy an M5 macbook pro and bootcamp windows arm on it if I could. best of all worlds. Have all the software on one system.
 
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I just updated to Sequoia 15.7.5 and it broke access to remote shares on external drives. I can access the files just fine from Windows 11 though.

15.7.5 was just some security updates I think and it will be a pain in the neck to figure this out and fix it. I guess I can just use my Lenovo Yoga in the meantime.
 
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