maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
Without question and this was one motivating reasons for my first flip to windows after being on the mac for a long time. I use excel so much and its just not the same on the mac.
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It's really bad isn't it. I have to zoom to 130% when I open a spreadsheet because it's tiny at 100%. Same with Word.
allan.nyholm
macrumors 68020
@LiE_ You know what you must do.. buy a Windows PC again. As well as that glorious Google Pixel Phone. Says my crystal ball(s) - because I have had quite a few that I broke.
Why not Linux? j/k - no one flip flops to that? do they?
Why not Linux? j/k - no one flip flops to that? do they?
WriteNow
macrumors 6502a
People do convert to Linux. Many of them will not use anything else after. Although some people will use LInux for a period and then go back to a commercial OS.
I converted to Linux a number of years back in a couple of steps. Step #1 was just to get modern Internet, with a Mac for productivity. I guess there were times that I thought of the next tech refresh being one of going back to OS X (as it was branded back then). Or I figured that I'd stay with a 2 OS approach to life. Instead, I eventually moved the production work to the Linux system. (Thus Step 2.) But there are still times I half think of going back to a Mac--the most recent strong desire was when the M1 first shipped. ("Cool! I can have a new toy! The latest processor! Fun!!!!" But thoughts of what it would do to my bank account heavily discouraged this move.)
No idea what the future might bring... A lot depends on my needs of the moment. One issue that has developed for me with commercial OS use is concerns of privacy, and that might be enough to keep me at the very least heavily using open source software. But I can easily also see having an additional system or systems that might even get more heavily used than the Linux system. (For example: I have need to start actually using M$ Word heavily.)
I definitely wouldn’t be content on Linux. I used to spend a lot of time on various flavours on Unix/Linux when my job involved installing software and packages on servers. SunOS, RedHat and CentOS mainly.
I have of course started looking at PC parts a little. I’d want to go ITX this time.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
Yup, its really sad and frustrating. I was trying to excel on my MBP, and I'm like why bother.
Let me just add that in dark times, the times where no one may ever utter again, the pre-M1 days, where the unwashed masses used intel Macs, you could run windows via Parallels or bootcamp and get around the short comings but that's not really feasible. I by and large am very dissatisfied with Arm Windows.
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LeeW
macrumors 601
ivanwi11iams
macrumors 601
I have to agree with using Excel and Word on macOS at 130%. That's what I do. And, am using those applications all day long...
kamikazeeMC
macrumors 6502a
Would turning off mouse acceleration help?
My personal Macs have always been laptops using the trackpad only, but during my time at Uni using iMacs, I felt mouse movement being not to my liking. On Windows I always have acceleration off.
BMox81
macrumors 65816
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
The mouse tracking is a but frustrating, especially if you go back and forth between PC and Mac like I do. I use my PC, mouse useage is buttery smooth, accurate and precise. I cannot get it anywhere near close to that on my MAc. I think I've turned down the tracking speed.
Text rendering on the Mac is inferior, as mentioned, we need to zoom in on excel, outlook and word. Its even worse if you connect your mac to a sub-4k monitor. The dedicated apple legion seem to fight this tooth and nail, blaming those of us who don't have a 4k display and its our fault not apple's ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Apple gets so many things right with the iMac and MBP, but sadly, some things are clear misses and depending on your usage, its either a big deal or not. For me, its in the bigger deal, simply because of my usage. I use excel quite a bit and apple text rendering for me is a detraction to the point where it was the final nail in the coffin for me to rely on PC and use my Mac as a secondary machine. I still love it, but I've said this so many times, people roll their eyes - use the right tool for the job.
MBAir2010
macrumors G3
Seems to me apple is making using windows stuph on their MacBook tedious and un -atheistically pleasing lately.
good for them!
my only beef (im a non-meat eater) with anything apple this decade
is the faint grey type on the bottom of the status window stating how much GB the MacBook has.
and their is probably a way to remedy this.
maybe that was a windows 10 thing?
I do tap everything, never click though.
good for them!
my only beef (im a non-meat eater) with anything apple this decade
is the faint grey type on the bottom of the status window stating how much GB the MacBook has.
and their is probably a way to remedy this.
when I used a Dell XPS 13" and MacBook Air 11" the track pad on the Air was more fluid.
maybe that was a windows 10 thing?
I do tap everything, never click though.
It helps that on Windows I use a high DPI high polling rate gaming mouse. I don't have to think about pointing the cursor, it happens effortlessly. Over the past few days I've found myself constantly missing the intended cursor location and having to move slower/more purposefully to ensure accuracy.
The text is so bad which is strange as I used to be someone who absolutely couldn't use anything else. Having spent months on a 27" 4K monitor (150% scaling) in Windows I find the text so much more pleasing and easy on the eyes. macOS, all text seems to have too much weight and smoothing making it look less crispy. Looking at code is terrible.
The text is so bad which is strange as I used to be someone who absolutely couldn't use anything else. Having spent months on a 27" 4K monitor (150% scaling) in Windows I find the text so much more pleasing and easy on the eyes. macOS, all text seems to have too much weight and smoothing making it look less crispy. Looking at code is terrible.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
Why are you applauding poor user experience? Office is an MacOS application that is visually inferior, yet user light years ahead functionally then Apple's office suite.
Also its not just windows stuff, as I mentioned, heaven help you if you want to use a sub-4k monitor, its very unapple like in its appearance, i.e., lack of clarity.
I don't get the attitude that apple should punish and make something less useful because it didn't come from apple. I can't say this impacts everyone, but that sort of attitude one was reason for my not not going full adoption into the apple ecosystem. That means less money from me to apple. (granted my few shekels doesn't even constitute a drop in the ocean for the 2 trillion dollar company)
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
No question Mac Trackpads are the gold standard, but I personally don't like trackpads, its not a apple or pc thing, but personal preference. I like mice instead.
MBAir2010
macrumors G3
it not that apple is punishing people, they just want what every other company and group of human wants
total domination over their field and eliminate any competition, like Dr Claw!
perhaps I'm thinking in a broader perspective
but here there are only few or one place to buy food, home supplies etc. the other stores are gone for ever.
and these past years proved that Apple does not want any Microsoft on their products
and Microsoft won't play nice with Apple products as well. They both have a #1 goal now.
who always suffers when 2 worlds collide? the small innocent ones.
c0ppo
macrumors 68000
Trackpads on macs are the best.
But I do agree on the mouse part, Windows (and even Linux) does it way better. But there is a 3rd party solution, it has helped me:
linearmouse.app
But I do agree on the mouse part, Windows (and even Linux) does it way better. But there is a 3rd party solution, it has helped me:
LinearMouse | The mouse and trackpad utility for Mac.
Customize scrolling direction, pointer acceleration, pointer speed, and more for your mouse and trackpad.
LeeW
macrumors 601
This, although
None of us should need a different tool to get something as simple as good text rendering.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
BigMcGuire
macrumors G4
I've always had to run with Settings --> Accessibility --> Motion --> Reduce Motion ON and Prefer Cross Fade Transitions ON.
This sped up things for me significantly on iOS.
Just a thought.
kamikazeeMC
macrumors 6502a
I didn't find a difference in actual navigation speed in doing this. There is a delay matching the speed to the default transitions.
As nice and fluid iOS transitions are, I would like the ability to completely turn them off like I do with Android. Not a deal breaker though.
I was starting to think I was the only one who noticed this! it's awful! I don't understand why I have to immediately scale the excel window and have always had to in macos :/
yeah. If you come from windows and straight onto mac, it's weirdly imprecise and horrible. I've got a number of apps to turn off acceleration and make it more windows like, eg. https://linearmouse.app/ but tbh, it still doesn't make it as "right" feeling as windows with a good mouse.
yeah, I've read some longggg detailed articles on how apple wanted to draw the fonts exactly as defined whereas windows wanted them to look good on screen.
yeah again, if you live on apple it's all fine but when you've experienced modern android, the whole thing DOES feel faster. Even just swiping up on android to see all the apps, it's instant in a way that suddenly makes ios feel slow.
I feel like when I flipflop back to Apple these days, I'm immediately adding third party apps to try and get things that I have out of the box in windows. Nice mouse, dock/taskbar window previews, office 365 apps etc. Some would say, well that's your problem, you're trying to make macos work like windows and I guess they have a point but really in my mind I'm just trying to find something which gets out of the way and let's me do my work without fuss.
One thing is certain to me, windows/android have improved massively over the last few years
Mind you.... then the question becomes samsung s22ultra (soon s23) with it's built in pen, 10x optical zoom.... v pixel 7 pro with stock android experience and faster os updates (As well as a cracking camera + nice AI bits).... and so the flip flopping continues 🙂
ivanwi11iams
macrumors 601
I like the Samsung hardware just not a fan of the fact that they want to push their own ecosystem, resulting in double apps. Pixel is the only device for me.