It won’t be a square, it will be close to 3:2 (around 1.4:1). See these renders: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/rumoured-iphone-fold-size-concept-drawing-and-renders.2456447/
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Foldable iPhone Rumored to Feature Four Cameras, Touch ID, and More
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The screen diagonals and resolutions have been repeatedly leaked, and you can already infer the aspect ratio and dimensions just from the two diagonals combined.
We are on MacRumors, so yes, everything is hypothetical.
Seems all of Apple’s new iPhone models, like the Air this year and Fold next year are going to start with Touch ID, so that early adopters have a reason to upgrade again when they add Face ID the following year. This slow/incremental rollout of old/mature tech is frustrating, and lazy quite honestly. Just give us everything on the first go and maybe we’ll pay up. They need to realize they’ll be competing with Samsung’s 8th generation foldable by then. Apple’s fold needs to be *at least* as good as Samsung’s 2025 fold that will have been out for more than a year by the time this is released. The Samsung Fold 7 practically broke the internet with even all the Apple YouTubers rushing out to buy it and gushing over all of the breakthrough design and features. It looks like Apple’s response is definitely shaping up to be a first gen product needing years of refinement before it’s ready for the masses.
For folks who don't understand why anyone would want TouchID...
Partner and self both rocking SE3s, bought because they had TouchID, will both leave the iOS ecosystem if a TouchID option isn't available when our current phones lose security updates. TouchID is an order of magnitude more reliable than the FaceID on my M2 iPad Pro, and a home-button TouchID is a vastly better experience for purchasing via NFC than FaceID, because you can transfer the phone from pocket with thumb already on the button, directly to the reader, feel the haptic, then straight back to pocket; no holding the phone up to your face. A non-negotiable, I can authenticate in my N95 and tinted glasses; an officially unsupported configuration for FaceID.
If we're in propane / oxy-acetylene safety glasses and respirators in our studio, we'd have to remove a work glove to type the keycode anyway if we were using FaceID, so removing it for TouchID is still faster.
If I could remove FaceID entirely from my iPad, and get a bezel with a home button, I'd do it in an instant.
FaceID isn't more secure in practice; in my experience it fails more often, and requires a passcode to be entered more often - can't unlock a device flat on a desk because the angle is insufficient, so the answer is the shortest passcode possible.
An alternative to a side button on a folding phone, would be for one external face to be like a Home button iPhone, with a find-by-feel TouchID button in a bezel, and an e-paper-like always-on display for notifications, stuff you wouldn't open the phone to see.
Of course they might have cracked in-display ultrasonic TouchID...
Partner and self both rocking SE3s, bought because they had TouchID, will both leave the iOS ecosystem if a TouchID option isn't available when our current phones lose security updates. TouchID is an order of magnitude more reliable than the FaceID on my M2 iPad Pro, and a home-button TouchID is a vastly better experience for purchasing via NFC than FaceID, because you can transfer the phone from pocket with thumb already on the button, directly to the reader, feel the haptic, then straight back to pocket; no holding the phone up to your face. A non-negotiable, I can authenticate in my N95 and tinted glasses; an officially unsupported configuration for FaceID.
If we're in propane / oxy-acetylene safety glasses and respirators in our studio, we'd have to remove a work glove to type the keycode anyway if we were using FaceID, so removing it for TouchID is still faster.
If I could remove FaceID entirely from my iPad, and get a bezel with a home button, I'd do it in an instant.
FaceID isn't more secure in practice; in my experience it fails more often, and requires a passcode to be entered more often - can't unlock a device flat on a desk because the angle is insufficient, so the answer is the shortest passcode possible.
An alternative to a side button on a folding phone, would be for one external face to be like a Home button iPhone, with a find-by-feel TouchID button in a bezel, and an e-paper-like always-on display for notifications, stuff you wouldn't open the phone to see.
Of course they might have cracked in-display ultrasonic TouchID...
Yes, but no. Honestly, if we wanted to guess maybe because of the size and renders that you posted and the idea that it will only have four cameras (not 5 or 3 in the back), could also mean that it’s not gonna be a pro device (or a basic Pro), and could be (although doubtful) the “ the all new iPhone“ (18) instead of “iFold” and making a transition away from the regular basic iPhone or if they still want to keep the basic one then just reference it to iPhone 18e with a release later.
I have the Fold 7 (and before that a Fold 6). Samsung's faceid is really bad compared to Apple's. I would say it works less than half the time. I'm constantly finding myself reach for the touch ID.
In All Honesty, I am not very excited about folding phones. Much more so about a folding iPad Pro. Imagine a 13" iPad Pro folding into a 14cm x 22cm form factor that can easily fit into a large coat pocket!
As long as they get the hinge right with Zero crease.
As long as they get the hinge right with Zero crease.
I never liked Touch ID on phone and wouldn’t want to have to go back to it
It’s a terrible solution if you live somewhere or do some sort of work that requires wearing gloves for any significant amount of time
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I think you will find a supplier to Samsung has developed a super thin support to the crease area when opened effectively pushing the screen flat.
It will also be available to Apple folds as Samsung screens are used
After owning a Fold for several months now, I would say it reduces the awkwardness of a tablet rather than a big phone. Folds are as heavy as big phones and have smaller cover screens, and I often miss my 15 plus while using it. OTOH, my Fold is lighter than my iPad mini and the huge inner screen feels just as functional, and I can actually comfortably carry the Fold in my pocket.
Sure, make up some niche use cases where you think touchid is better than faceid …
For the average user, faceid is far superior over touchid.
And speaking for myself, touchid on iPhone was maybe 75% working and on my iPad Air it’s less than 90%.
I would really look forward to getting Touch ID back on a phone.
I find both Face ID and Touch ID (from version two) very reliable technologies but each have their advantages and disadvantages. I really like Face ID for opening locked apps without an extra tap of the thumb/finger. Touch ID has the convenient advantage of being able to unlock before you’ve even lifted the phone up to your face or to a pay terminal. But these are just niceties. When I get failed attempts is where it gets annoying. Not failed due to unreliability but just because of situations where the tech logically won’t work. And for me, I run into this more with Face ID than I did with Touch ID. With Touch ID (version two) the only times it didn’t work were when my fingers were wet or when wearing gloves, but I rarely wear gloves and when my finger is wet it’s easy enough to wipe off. With Face ID, I find it difficult to unlock when it’s lying on a table next to me while I’m for example on my laptop or eating, and I just want to glance at some info on my phone (I have to pick up the phone to unlock or lift my butt off my seat to lean over the phone). It also doesn’t unlock when I’m in bed and part of my face is buried in my pillow (when I’m groggy and lying on my stomach, it’s an awkward effort to lift my head off my pillow enough to let me phone see my face). I run into these problems with Face ID very regularly. A family member has similar qualms. (But another family member likes Face ID more, so people are just different)
That said, I’m not sure if Touch ID on the power button would be as convenient as it was on the home button. I find it a little less convenient on my iPad Air, but a phone could be different.
Ideally a phone could have both Touch ID and Face ID, but that’s not likely to happen.
Had a fold 7 and sold it for that reason Face ID is flawless
Yeah one of the more disappointing aspects of the Folda. I have to have the right lighting and my face at the perfect angle for it to possibly work. I just wake it anymore with my finger on the power button and it usually opens the phone without a hitch.
By "make up" you mean "describe the literal conditions under which I use the devices"?
Based on the rumors this sounds like it's going to look similar to the first Pixel Fold released by Google so if true then it would open up into more of a landscape orientation akin to the the current iPad mini so it won't be a square like the Fold 7. That is why I'm excited.
It's a pain on my ipad mini as the Apple cover seems to be just in the way enough so i have to try multiple times. If they can put face id on an iphone already why can't they put it on an ipad mini or a foldable?