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For the “I don’t like Touch ID because I have to wear gloves” crowd, I’m curious how well the touch screen works (after you’ve unlocked the phone with faceid) with gloves on?
 
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TouchID in place of FaceID would be such a huge step back. Ugh. A foldable phone is already be a really hard sell for me, losing FaceID on top of that is probably a non-starter.
 
What are people's opinion on Touch ID? I have never liked it and doesn't work for me especially in the winter. I have it on my mini and it's actually faster and more efficient to just put in my code. This would be a deal breaker for me.
Agreed.. I don't believe the rumor.. Its a security step backwards.. Would make sense to add to Apple Watch, due to space contrasts.. But I imagine they could one day add even Face ID there.. its simply more secure..
 
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With four cameras only, it looks like the telephoto lens will be absent. E-sim only worldwide is a downside. Have to wait to know the final display dimensions but it looks like it will be smaller than the Z Fold 7. Overall not too impressed. Have been waiting a long time for Apple to release a foldable.
 
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Gurman hasn't been on point lately. Notice how it says he originally said 5 cameras but only mentioned 4 cameras. Yea this guy will be the next one to get sued by apple I bet
He won’t as he’s done nothing illegal and he corrected himself to 4
 
Why TouchID? I thought FaceID is soooooooooo superior. But hey, at least the Fold will have this super-duper-spaceship-2000-Aluminium which is (of cooooooourse) way better than Titanium or Stainless Steel.

Four cameras, $3000?
For the 128GB Version.
 
The only problem I see with this new foldable iPhone is the outer display size. The ZFold 7 that I have is the perfect outer display size and was a big pain point on all the previous foldables until this one.
 
Can’t wait for everyone to poop on the idea until it comes out and then all of a sudden, everybody wants one. Even the people that pooped on the idea originally.
 
Can’t wait for everyone to poop on the idea until it comes out and then all of a sudden, everybody wants one. Even the people that pooped on the idea originally.

Oh I've pooped on foldable in general, I'm even cautious when it comes to Apple making one. However I'll admit that if I do buy one, it will be an Apple foldable. I don't know what it about Apple that I just trust more when it comes to getting products right and at the right time. I don't know if any of that makes sense 😂
 
The only problem I see with this new foldable iPhone is the outer display size. The ZFold 7 that I have is the perfect outer display size and was a big pain point on all the previous foldables until this one.

I think the outer display size rumoured sounds great. I've been annoyed all summer that my 16 PM is too tall for many of my summer pants so having a smaller passport device when folded would be welcomed.

The problem I had on my older Z Fold models outer display had nothing to do with height and all to do with width.
 
The first model will be "crease-free", and models thereafter will be even more "crease-free". Temper your opinions of unannounced products. I don't see Apple using such wording to market their folding display. The only way to get a crease-free display, as I see it, is to have two separate displays that butt up against one another when fully opened—precision engineered line with no curved crease. Something I personally see as a good idea, as it would probably increase build quality, display consistency over time, and reliability, but Apple is unlikely to go this route.
Lol “as you see it” because you’re a folding screen engineer aware of Apple’s latest technological achievements?
 
The first model will be "crease-free", and models thereafter will be even more "crease-free". Temper your opinions of unannounced products. I don't see Apple using such wording to market their folding display. The only way to get a crease-free display, as I see it, is to have two separate displays that butt up against one another when fully opened—precision engineered line with no curved crease. Something I personally see as a good idea, as it would probably increase build quality, display consistency over time, and reliability, but Apple is unlikely to go this route.
How’s that gonna work when I get peanut butter and jelly on the thing?
 
Apple Care is going to be a must. Returns, exchanges and breakage is going to go through the roof. Apple better price it high enough to cover a return on its investment. Still curious as to how well this monstrosity will sell.
 
"FaceID module thickness" is an engineering challenge, nothing more. The foldable is a year away and at the rumored price point (starting at $1,999) I would expect engineering challenges to be behind us ...
I've not seen anyone mention this, but wouldn't they have to include 2 FaceID modules? One on the inside and one on the outside, otherwise you would have to close the inner screen to authenticate. Which seems like poor UX.
 
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I've not seen anyone mention this, but wouldn't they have to include 2 FaceID modules? One on the inside and one on the outside, otherwise you would have to close the inner screen to authenticate. Which seems like poor UX.
Yup, said this before, the rumored price point should include indeed 2 faceid modules
 
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The same fold 7 which has fingerprint scanner on side as well. So you would be going to a phone with same form as ID. That makes no sense
You know the fold doesn’t have biometric Face ID the same as apples I don’t what a finger print scanner it’s old tech like I said I’m not going back in time 🙂
 
For a company that talks big about Accessibility, removing TouchID was a real kick in the teeth to the immunosuppressed community.



I have trouble picturing people's problems with TouchID, or it "not working" - I had it on my original SE, and on my SE3. It's been the most reliable, lowest friction, most "magical" technological thing, product, feature, or service I've used from Apple in the 30 years I've been using their gear all day, every day. I haven't used cash to make a purchase in about 8 years because of it. I suppose if you live somewhere cold and you wear gloves... Ideally you could have both.
For me, Touch ID on my 1st gen iPad Pro was very inconsistent. It failed a lot so as soon as FaceID was available, I upgraded and swore off all Touch ID devices. It seems to work better on my MacBook so maybe it’s no longer an issue but it’s used a lot more on an iPhone so I’m still hesitant.
 
For me, Touch ID on my 1st gen iPad Pro was very inconsistent. It failed a lot so as soon as FaceID was available, I upgraded and swore off all Touch ID devices. It seems to work better on my MacBook so maybe it’s no longer an issue but it’s used a lot more on an iPhone so I’m still hesitant.

As @subjonas mentioned earlier "TouchID (Second Generation)"; I wonder if the system used in the iPhone 5 & 6, prior to the original iPhone SE which I found flawless, was an earlier evolution and much less reliable. 🤷‍♂️
 
The side of the phone that would have to integrate Face ID is only 4.8 mm thick and has displays on both of its sides (outer and inner screen). The Face ID assembly is likely too deep to fit in between.

Thickness is likely a factor if Apple wants to use the same FaceID module across multiple product lines. However, decent chance also that having two FaceID cameras is a limited factor also. Phone SoC chips typically have special bus for linking the camera module to the image processor+camera controller inside the SoC. Probably the case there isn't more than 3 connectors there ( and some sharing of a bus for a fourth camera).

For example, the Snapdragon Elite 8 (Samsung Fold 7) in the camera specs ( have to expand the tech spec view)

"...
Image Signal Processor (ISP) Number: Triple ISP
Image Signal Processor (ISP) Bit Depth: 18-bit
Triple Camera (MFNR, ZSL, 30 fps): 48+48+48 MP
..."

pretty good chance there is only three camera inputs on that SoC and there is kind of camera 'switch' IC inside the system to flip between on one of those paths. There is no FaceID depth sensor array in that set-up.


FaceID requires more than normal camera bus width. There is more than just visible image data coming back from the expanded sensor array. So decent chance there is only one "FaceID" expanded data bus on a normal Apple Silicon chip.

In that case, Apple designing/making an 'even thinner' FaceID sensor array wouldn't solve the problem anyway. It is also likely too early to throw a feature that won't be used at 100's of millions other Apple devices. ( 'Fold' will share A-series with other Apple products that sell in orders of more magnitude more units. )

A workaround would be to have FaceID only on the outer 'selfie' camera, but that would be quirky when in the open mode and want to do things like authorize Apple Pay. At root is the disconnect is the usage as a 'full phone' when closed and also when open requiring two instances of the authentication mechanism. Going to a TouchID sensor means only have one authentication module for both modes. It is more simple.


The 'thinner' half isn't going to help the TouchID sensor if they make it too small. So it isn't a 'free lunch' going in that direction.
 
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