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5.5" and 7.8" are screen sizes but does not tell us the aspect ratio. The thing is some aspect ratio combinations with these two constants of diagonal measures are impossible.

One such impossible combination is a 5.5" outer screen with an iPhone mini aspect ratio. It just doesn't work with a single fold device.

Here's a possible combination that seems most likely to me:

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  • Make the 7.8" inner screen close to a normal iPad mini aspect ratio.
  • The resulting 5.5" folded screen is about as physically wide as the 16 pro max but a bit shorter than an iPhone 13 mini.
No one else in the industry is doing this, are they?

What's interesting about this is Apple maybe even market this as one-handed usable since, although wide, it's not as far to reach top elements. They would also then market how iPad like it is unfolded and how much better this aspect ratio is for watching movies than all there other competitors who ship an oddly square aspect tablet fold.

It's intentional, different, and ownable. And while it looks weird folded... Apple did release the 3rd Generation iPod nano.


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So far this is the most logical option and no one else has actually mocked up something trying to use real world measurements and constraints aside from me. Happy to have anyone else try and prove me wrong with other actually possible options if these screen sizes are for real.
Who the hell is going to want a short fat phone, just so it can unfold into the worst iPad?
 
Who the hell is going to want a short fat phone, just so it can unfold into the worst iPad?
I would like it. The 4x3 unfolded dimension makes it match an Ipad, making app layout easy and giving you much better video space than a fold 7 for instance.

The unfolded is admittedly a wierd one, BUT should be fully one hand able, which is the most important thing to me.
 
Who the hell is going to want a short fat phone, just so it can unfold into the worst iPad?
Me. I’d prefer the unfolded phone to be closer to iPad Mini aspect ratios, or even wider, than to the almost square devices we’re seeing in the Android world.

I can do most of my quick tasks—texting, checking scores, notifications etc.—on a shorter screen, then open it up for content consumption, which would be mostly video.
 
Honestly I'm looking forward to this. The Midnight render looks sexy af
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Dave2D has a good take on foldables through the lens of using the newest Samsung Fold7. I largely agree. If the screen sizes aren't optimal in either use case, people will tend not to utilize the advertised features. The previous renders of the passport-sized iPhone config aren't ideal either, but they are forgiveable if the use case as a phone stays limited and leads someone to *want* to open the phone to view a widescreen video or use an app. I think we'll find out if Samsung releases a similar vision a year from now.

 
That’s a really small outer screen. How do they get a 7.8” screen that’s close to that of the Samsung ZFold 7 when their outer screens are so different? What is the aspect ratio of that phone? I would have assumed Apple’s striving for a 4:3 like they do for their iPads. Should that be 6.5” outer screen, not 5.5”, Trendforce? 5.5” is awfully tiny.
That sounds like it’ll have gigantic bezels. In which case, the argument of “apple waits years until a refined product is possible” is bs. A refined foldable is one that on the outside it looks like a regular iPhone but then unfolded it’s an iPad
 
Apple has adaptive layout constructs associated with SwiftUI to handle such a foldable device for quite some time. Many apps built with Web tech will seamlessly accommodate the device via responsive/adaptive Web design constructs such as the CSS grid and flex box specs
Never saw web apps take off on iOS, they have never been first citizens.

And wouldn‘t you agree that iPad apps should work on an unfolded iPhone? It HAS to be that way - oltherwise we would have a third category „crippled iPad apps“.
 
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This looks like the Microsoft Duo...

I came back to post this but you beat me to it. This is why I’m nervous, I think the folded state is going to be too wide and stubby to be useful, meanwhile a lot of the foldable Android phones right now from China (and the latest Samsung) have a regular (and useful!) aspect ratio.

As others have pointed out I think a lot of people are misinterpreting what “5.5 inches” means, they’re imagining 5.5 inches on a 13 mini aspect ratio device but in reality it’s going to be really wide, almost square. If it’s too wide you can’t really use it one handed and if it’s too short it’s not that practical in folded mode.

I don’t know… I like the concept of a small folded mode but I’m worried it won’t live up to expectations. What makes the latest generation of foldables so compelling is that there’s really no sense of compromise in folded or unfolded state.
 
Never saw web apps take off on iOS, they have never been first citizens.

And wouldn‘t you agree that iPad apps should work on an unfolded iPhone? It HAS to be that way - oltherwise we would have a third category „crippled iPad apps“.
We're already seeing this with the iPadOS 26 beta. Many of the iPad apps that I previously ran fullscreen are handling reflow that comes with window resizing quite well, even when I reduce the windows to ridiculously small sizes.
 
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I think ultimately Apple are optimizing for the unfolded aspect ratio so that it closely resembles an iPad. You have to make a choice: either your outer display is square shaped or your inner display is square shaped. Apple probably believe (as I do) that the multi app ‘split screen’ mode on devices like the Samsung Fold 7 are not actually that practical or useful and that the media browsing experience on the almost-square aspect ratio is not pleasant or useful. Most apps are optimized for an iPhone or iPad layout, so the big screen aspect ratio should follow suit.

I suspect most people just want a bigger iPad like experience for a single app, and that’s what Apple will ship. Yes there will probably be multitasking features like in iPadOS but Apple are not building for that as the primary use case.
 
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Never saw web apps take off on iOS, they have never been first citizens.

And wouldn‘t you agree that iPad apps should work on an unfolded iPhone? It HAS to be that way - oltherwise we would have a third category „crippled iPad apps“.
Web apps can be apps not yet installed on a phone such as many Web sites. Apple does need to accommodate PWAs better as well as hopefully allow different browser engines outside the EU.

As far as iPad apps work on an unfolded iPhone: I personally am not clamoring for that, but SwiftUI’s layout constructs already allow that to be possible.

It’s on developers to use the adaptive layout constructs consistently to enable such possibilities.

Apple nonetheless will likely have a graceful degradation for apps clearly not using such constructs just like what occurs on Android.

Apple will more likely do so for iOS apps being represented a particular default way unfolded compared to default “squishing” of iPad apps on the unfolded screen
 
I think ultimately Apple are optimizing for the unfolded aspect ratio so that it closely resembles an iPad. You have to make a choice: either your outer display is square shaped or your inner display is square shaped. Apple probably believe (as I do) that the multi app ‘split screen’ mode on devices like the Samsung Fold 7 are not actually that practical or useful and that the media browsing experience on the almost-square aspect ratio is not pleasant or useful. Most apps are optimized for an iPhone or iPad layout, so the big screen aspect ratio should follow suit.

I suspect most people just want a bigger iPad like experience for a single app, and that’s what Apple will ship. Yes there will probably be multitasking features like in iPadOS but Apple are not building for that as the primary use case.
I strongly disagree with the square aspect ratio being an issue at all for foldables.

What exactly you don’t find “pleasant or useful” about it.

For video it’s handy to not have hands securely on device without inadvertently impacting or obscuring playback and viewing the content.

Readability and UI elements aren’t negatively impacted either and only enhanced with my experience with Android foldables compared to my iPhone 16 Pro Max
 


Apple's first foldable iPhone will be equipped with a 7.8-inch inner display, and a 5.5-inch outer display, according to Taiwanese research firm TrendForce.

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Apple supply chain analyst Ming-Chi Kuo already mentioned those same display sizes for the foldable iPhone in March, meaning there are now multiple sources backing those sizes, so long as TrendForce is not simply copying what Kuo said.

Samsung's Galaxy Z Fold 7 has an 8-inch inner screen, and a 6.5-inch outer screen.

TrendForce said Apple will likely launch the foldable iPhone in the second half of 2026, so the device could debut in September of next year.

Last week, Kuo said the foldable iPhone (and Samsung's Galaxy Z Fold 8) will feature a "crease-free" inner display. He said Apple will achieve this feat by using a laser-drilled metal display plate, which can disperse the stress generated by bending.

Kuo expects the foldable iPhone to have two rear cameras, one front camera, and a Touch ID power button instead of Face ID.

Article Link: Foldable iPhone's Display Sizes Leaked
Sweet! The mini will be back and folds out to bigger than a Pro Max ! We will be getting the iPhone MiniMaxPlus. I love it.

I know, i know … it’ll be $$$$ … but i still have the XS, so i also saved $$$$ since 2018.
 
Honestly I'm looking forward to this. The Midnight render looks sexy af
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As a doubter of current Samsung folding tech and recent Apple releases, that render does actually look cool. Wouldn’t buy one personally, but I am interested to see how iPad OS continues to develop, in case an iPad Pro 13” with keyboard case can eventually replace the trusty Mac laptops I’ve been lugging the past 28 years. My point? If an iPhone Fold happened to run the improved iPad OS and not have a crappy screen like the Samsungs, it would win people over (so long as they can stomach the insane proposed price).
 
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I don't give a View attachment 2531285 about folding phones. Frigging money grab! Galaxy Z Fold7 starts at $2000.00. Can you imagine what a folding iPhone is going to cost?View attachment 2531307


Unsure how samsung behave in other countries; but down here in Aus; samsung rarely sell for RRP. There's always some sort of discounts. I've seen 20% from some retailers or massive cuts for signing up with a carrier. RRP is $3099AUD, yet the biggest sign up bonus i've seen is $1800AUD

Heck, checking my spam folder, the fold hasn't even shipped yet and yet i have a $700AUD promotion on it directly from samsung

So yeah, despite the hefty price RRP, real world pricing here is similar to what a 16 pro max 512 is.

Apple will probably price it the same, but not discount so people actually do have to pony up the full $2000
 
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Since it seems like and iPhone mini is going to be a thing of the past, for my wife, small hands, and no large pockets, a foldable might be the answer. I never thought I would say that.
 
Since it seems like and iPhone mini is going to be a thing of the past, for my wife, small hands, and no large pockets, a foldable might be the answer. I never thought I would say that.

I bought my wife a samsung flip4 some years ago; she loves it exactly because it fits into her bags and pockets.
 
I would like it. The 4x3 unfolded dimension makes it match an Ipad, making app layout easy and giving you much better video space than a fold 7 for instance.

The unfolded is admittedly a wierd one, BUT should be fully one hand able, which is the most important thing to me.
LOL, what? A fatter phone is less one handed than what we have now.
 
There's some amazing renders by @iZac in the below thread.


I can see why apple is pursuing that particular form factor; to keep their aspect ratios consistent; but the passport shape is going to take a lot of getting used to for people.
@MacRumors, you should make an article out of the cited thread on your own site - these mock-ups (that I'm just seeing now - I'd done the math a while back myself, but never tried drawing it up like has been done here) are fantastic.
 
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