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Following Apple's Record Quarter Announcement, Samsung Reports Profit Drop

apolloa said:
Before people go off on one, please remember the actual results of shipped phones worldwide by Samsung is much higher than Apple:

http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-global-smartphone-share-falls-as-apples-remains-static/

In fact Apple has remained stagnant, Samsung has dropped, and all the other manufacturers have increased their numbers... Apple has a very long way to go to be worldwide number one.

And a continued drop in iPad sales is nothing to celebrate either. Apples big sales boost has come from China, the market it just entered. So if the chart in my link is anything to go by, it is other manufactures who have taken Samsungs share and not Apple.
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You may need to realize that the market actually grows, so looking at percentages doesn't necessarily mean the numbers are stagnant. Because they aren't.

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Steve121178 said:
If there was no serious competition, Apple would just drip-feed improvements and bring new features at an even slower pace than they do right now.

The industry needs strong competition to force innovation.
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It's funny you say that because the initial products Apple releases are typically among no peers in the product category. The entire concept that competition is the only way improvements happen is probably the biggest fantasy around...especially in the technology sector.
 
iPadCary said:
Ahhhhhh ....



I'm a shareholder, yes. But even if I wasn't, Apple's record quarter would still improve my life. How?
Because I was there from the very beginning, from the family computing in the kitchen in an ad in OMNI magazine,
to walking into the Computer Lab of the University Of Miami in August 1980
and was confronted with row upon row of Apple][+es.
It's been a love affair ever since. And from the 90s to 2001 when we were getting kicked in the teeth
and were the laughing stock of the tech world, and now stand atop that self-same tech world,
that's how it improves my life: by living vicariously through Apple. By celebrating thier enormous success.



Quatsch. There's been a cure for cancer for who knows how long, now.
But because it's more profitable to treat cancer than it is to cure it, the cure will never be made public until that's changed.
And as far a building schools goes, who needs buildings to accrue data?
You are probably holding the greatest university in the history of humanity right there in your hands.
It's called a net-connected iPad.
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You live vicariously through a company and think that there's a cure for terminal cancer? Okay.
 
Last I checked, competition was good. And that there was plenty of marketshare to go around with more than only one company being able to be successful.

I really don't care to live in a world where any one tech company is the only one.
 
iPadCary said:
Ahhhhhh ....



I'm a shareholder, yes. But even if I wasn't, Apple's record quarter would still improve my life. How?
Because I was there from the very beginning, from the family computing in the kitchen in an ad in OMNI magazine,
to walking into the Computer Lab of the University Of Miami in August 1980
and was confronted with row upon row of Apple][+es.
It's been a love affair ever since. And from the 90s to 2001 when we were getting kicked in the teeth
and were the laughing stock of the tech world, and now stand atop that self-same tech world,
that's how it improves my life: by living vicariously through Apple. By celebrating thier enormous success.
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I suppose as a shareholder the glow of making a 40% mark-up on the sheep that buy these iPhones makes you happy.
 
Steve121178 said:
We need Samsung/HTC etc to be brilliant and push Apple. What incentive would Apple have to improve/innovate is there was no competition?
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We might need HTC/LG/Motorola...but we do not need the Samsungs and the Xiaomis of the world.

What incentive do Samsung/Xiami have to improve/innovate when all they have to do is copy the competition?
 
dugbug said:
Apple does not buy Samsung chips lol
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Apple may design the chips themselves, but the actual production of the chips is mostly done by Samsung (with TSMC sometimes producing some of them - it's been repeatedly rumored that TSMC will take over the majority of production but I don't think that's ever come to pass.)
 
topmounter said:
Apple killed Samsung. Fanboys rejoice :eek:
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Wouldn't say killed them, but Samsung will do fine as far as numbers of units sold, it is the profit margin that will become an issue for them in the phone business.

They might have to focus on different market segment to help increase profits.
 
Mike MA said:
I remember quite a few dealing with bendgate, wall huggers was before that, I think?

But in principle your right - maybe they realized that their major customer in the semiconductor division should better not be made angry :rolleyes:

With Apple orders coming in Samsung at least can benefit in this devision, though mobile sales declining...

EDIT: Discovered the ones I meant...

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/ipho...ing-ads-10-other-ads-that-mock-apple-3502961/
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Yep! After that whole bendgate thing, Samsung use to come out with a commercial about Apple every few weeks or so. It's been a months now.
 
apolloa said:
Before people go off on one, please remember the actual results of shipped phones worldwide by Samsung is much higher than Apple:

http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-global-smartphone-share-falls-as-apples-remains-static/

In fact Apple has remained stagnant, Samsung has dropped, and all the other manufacturers have increased their numbers... Apple has a very long way to go to be worldwide number one.

And a continued drop in iPad sales is nothing to celebrate either. Apples big sales boost has come from China, the market it just entered. So if the chart in my link is anything to go by, it is other manufactures who have taken Samsungs share and not Apple.
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You consider a year-over-year increase of roughly 40 million units "stagnant"?

Edit: Ahh I see....the ever popular marketshare percentage....I'm sure the only number Apple cares about with respect to iPhones is that 40 million number - as in 40 million more iPhones sold in 2014 than in 2013.

Which translates into a lot of money.
 
Winni said:
It looks like Samsung is pretty successful, and they are still selling more smartphones than Apple.

But unless you own Apple shares, please tell us how it improves YOUR life when Apple has a record quarter?

Whenever I read that Apple is stock-piling hundreds of billions of (largely un-taxed) dollars on some bank accounts, all I can think of is how much good could be done with that money if corporations were forced to make ethical decisions. 100 billion bucks could most likely bring forth a cure for cancer. It could build schools and provide education. There's no limit to what could be done with that money. All it does right now is sit on a bank account. And as I've said before, that's not even capitalistic - it's just capital that's not being used for anything useful, not even for their own product research or QA (and especially Apple's software QA could really need a boost).

And no, I'm not American. Neither am I a socialist. But this is just immoral.
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Immoral because a company isn't giving away it's money? Yeah ok. :rolleyes:

I am sure you would be saying the same thing about other big corporations who have money in the banks, that in the billions? Right?
 
CEmajr said:
What makes this even more impressive is that Apple's sales consists entirely of high-end, high-margin devices whereas the majority of Samsung's numbers are made up of low-mid end low profit devices
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Considering Apple only sells "high-end" and you have no clue what the majority of Samsungs sales are.
 
ani4ani said:
Not least Blackberry!

I am not arguing that Apple don't have an impressive phone and I would certainly have a 6+ if I didn't have to carry round my company S4 [which is also fine], i.e. it is sad that folks carry more than one phone around!

Anyhow my point is that trends have a strange habit of changing dramatically, which is quite fortunate actually, since had the the growth of Elvis tributes continued to grow at the rate that it did between 1977 and 1981, by 2003 the whole world would have become Elvis tributes! [only joking]
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I thought your point was that Android copying the iPhone in 2007 wasn't that big of a deal, because Apple hadn't invented the App Store, touch screens, etc?

Now, people have the nerve to claim Apple copied Android OEMs by increasing the iPhone screen size.

Next headline will be: Apple copies Android OEMs by making the iPhone faster.
 
Michael Scrip said:
No doubt Samsung sells more units... but many of them are cheap phones with barely any margin.
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You and the other Apple people keep claiming this, what proof do you have other than making stuff up?

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DoctorKrabs said:
Anyone who says Apple copied big phones is an idiot.

Big Android phones were only made because of the iPad.

All Android phones were made because of the iPhone.
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Big Androids were because of a NON CELLUAR device? No. Android is only here because of Apple? Where to begin, other than that Android was years in development prior to ANY iphone being released but let's not let facts get in the way of your FUD.

And that 6 people voted this rubbish up is pretty.....sad.
 
thekeyring said:
I thought your point was that Android copying the iPhone in 2007 wasn't that big of a deal, because Apple hadn't invented the App Store, touch screens, etc?

Now, people have the nerve to claim Apple copied Android OEMs by increasing the iPhone screen size.

Next headline will be: Apple copies Android OEMs by making the iPhone faster.
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Nope my point was [if you care to read the whole thread] was that Apple didn't invent, the App store, touch screens, or fingerprint sensors, which was claimed by said correspondent. I was merely correcting him.

As for copying each other, I hardly care to get into the tiresome debate; they all take queues and influences from each other, always have and always will. The only thing I would remind folks of was that Steve Jobs said no one needed big phones or small tablets [He also said that Apple would never make a tablet so I guess he was mistaken on a number of fronts] These forums were awash with folks saying that that iPhone 4 was a perfect size, subsequently the iPhone 5 was the perfect size and nobody needed or wanted anything bigger, again it would seem not be the case. The fact that Apple went on to have bigger phones and smaller tablets was because it was obvious to them [and before them, Samsung and numerous others] that especially in Asia, people only seem to want big phones.
 
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Such peaks often are when a handset vendor starts its decline. First it was Motorola. Then Nokia. Then BlackBerry. The question isn't whether Apple or Samsung is next; it's which one.
 
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