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  1. iModFrenzy, Jul 30, 2017
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    iModFrenzy macrumors 6502a

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    In my experience with wiping my PPC's and starting fresh, I've usually found myself struggling to get it optimized due to the lagginess of software. I wanted to create this thread as a go-to for getting your PPC off the ground then optimizing. Hopefully this could get pinned at the top so new users can click and get started fast.

    Now, let's get started! :)

    Get a Web Browser

    You'll need it if you're going to browse this thread or any other threads

    Here are a few of the best web browser choices. However, this thread has the complete list and tells the OS compatibility.

    TenFourFox
    HomePage: http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/
    (ALL SourceForge direct links to 5 seconds wait)

    -For G3
    -For G4 7400
    -For G4 7450
    -For G5
    Type "machine" in terminal, to figure out which G4 build to use. Later G4s will use 7450, earlier ones use 7400.

    For quickly getting TenFourFox going, I recommend BluHell & uMatrix then optimizing if you'd like. But it's been smooth for me with those two tweaks. @eyoungren 's amazing tweak thread
    Roccat
    HomePage: http://runecats.com/roccat-browser-for-mac/
    -Download


    Leopard WebKit
    Homepage: https://sourceforge.net/projects/leopard-webkit/
    -Download(SourceForge, 5 second download)


    Camino(Outdated, should be used for very light/unharmful browsing e.g. browsing databases)

    Homepage: http://caminobrowser.org
    -Download Page


    I listed the homepages so you could check them out after, I hate linking Roccat's direct download link, but I don't see Safari rendering that page nicely. TenFourFox is a download link to SourceForge which should be fine for the brief 5 seconds. Camino's page is lightweight so I listed that as well.


    1. Choose an OS
    The last PowerPC Mac OS X is 10.5.8 Leopard. Snow Leopard 10.6+ will NOT run, that is Intel only. You can also run Linux distros, but we don't recommend that for new PPC users. You can check your Mac's version by clicking the :apple: in the top left and clicking "About This Mac", you're Mac's specifications(Ghz,Ram,version) will be listed, if troubleshooting a problem you'll likely need your specifications in a thread for users to help out.

    Here are your OS X choices:

    -10.5.8 - Better for software support and features as it's newer. Official requirement is 867 MHz G4 or faster, and 512MB of RAM. HOWEVER, it can be hacked to run on a slower Mac as long as it's a G4 and not a G3... but don't expect great performance!

    -10.4.11 - Faster and is the latest version for older Macs and all G3s. Official requirement is 300MHz G3 or faster with 256 MB of RAM and FireWire. LIKE LEOPARD, you can hack it to run on slightly slower machines, but, again, the performance won't be very good!

    -10.3.9 - Fast on G3s, but doesn't support a lot of software! This thread will tell you everything you need to know about Panther, including some good software that supports it. There won't be anything about Panther on this post, so go there if that's your choice.

    There is a wiki thread as follows containing useful information for each Mac OS X release that supports PowerPC:

    Leopard (10.5.8): https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/the-leopard-thread.2120703
    Tiger (10.4.11): https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/the-tiger-thread-mac-os-x-10-4.2134451
    Panther (10.3.9): https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/the-panther-thread.2046542
    Jaguar (10.2.8): https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/the-jaguar-thread-mac-os-x-10-2.2134354
    Puma (10.1.5): https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/the-puma-thread-mac-os-x-10-1.2119073
    Cheetah (10.0.4): https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/the-cheetah-thread-mac-os-x-10-0.2134207
    Kodiak (Public Beta): https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/the-kodiak-thread-mac-os-x-public-beta.2135717
    Mac OS X Server 1.x (Rhapsody): https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/the-rhapsody-thread-mac-os-x-server-1-x.2135981


    2. Optimize Your OS
    THIS THREAD HAS EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT MAKING YOUR MAC FASTER. BUT HERE ARE SOME QUICK TIPS.

    LEOPARD:
    Here are some quick links/tips for optimizing your Leopard install quickly!
    TIGER:
    Tiger will mostly run fine on any hardware, but of course there are some systems that need optimizing

    3. Optimize Hardware
    Quick links for optimizing your hardware!

    4. Get Some Software
    These websites have big collections of old versions of software for PowerPC!

    5. Get YouTube Working
    Here are some methods to get YouTube working on PowerPC!
    • YouTube can run fine in WebKit if you use ClickToPlugin and/or ClickToFlash.
    • Here are some scripts put together by @Dronecatcher that let you watch YouTube on 10.4 or 10.5, and even works on G3s to give you decent YouTube!
    • SMtube, compiled for PowerPC by @Lastic, is an app where you can find videos and play them instantly. It requires some steps to get it working, but the guide by @Lastic is easy to follow! :)
    • PPC Media Center is an easy app to watch many online videos. An easy guide to setup and use is included in the dmg!
    6. Install the Xcode Developer Tools (if needed)
    So some apps may require Xcode developer tools such as Onyx for its processor features. Or if you just need to develop an app for 10.5/10.4 or even use the iOS SDK (iOS 4.3 max according to the wiki)

    To get Xcode, sign into Apple's developer site, accept/agree to terms, copy this link: https://developer.apple.com/download/more/

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    This will take you to the developer download center, type Xcode 3.2.6/5(Apple states 3.2.6 as "For Snow Leopard" but the wiki says otherwise, 3.2.5 should work fine)


    General Hardware Notes:

    • PowerMac G4 models to look for are "AGP Graphics," "Gigabit Ethernet," or "Mirrored Drive Door." Those models take up to 2 GB of RAM and that makes a huge difference under OS X usage.
    • If you can't find those for a G4, find a Digital Audio model. They tend to be cheaper and look like the Gigabit or AGP models.
    • Unless you know what you're doing, DO NOT GET a liquid cooled G5. You can get any other PowerMac G5 without asking the forum's permission, so long as it is not liquid cooled in any way, shape, or form.
    • iMac G3's and eMacs of all kinds look like old televisions. iMac G3's are underpowered for all but the most basic tasks. If you're looking for an eMac, make sure to grab a model with USB 2.0.
    • iMac G4's look...well, they are distinct with a round thing at the bottom and a flat screen on top. The round thing has all the innards. The gem to look for is one with USB 2.0.
    • iMac G5's have very weird capacitor issues and look like a flat screen TV. Unless you like to solder, these are best left alone.
    • Mac mini G4's look similar to today's mini, but a bit bigger and with a huge power brick! These machines make good word processors, servers, or music machines, but are too underpowered to do good on the web!
    An FAQ in case your question isn't answered here:

    FAQ for PowerPC Macs



    Note: If you are adding to this thread, please keep in mind that user's that are new or just getting started will be using old software(most likely) to get to these pages. Links only! This is a database. Unless the information is needed like mentioning the TFF addons.
     
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    We had a similar thread a while ago. They all get burried sadly. There's a really good browser thread somewhere too.
     
  5. AmazingHenry macrumors 65816

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    Yeah, the new FAQ. Too bad about that browser thread as well.

    They need a better system around here to keep important threads at the top!
     
  6. doggoli macrumors member

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    macintoshrepository.org is also a good source for software, it holds A LOT of software that needs OS 9 or older but it also has a good amount of OS X software =D
     
  7. MysticCow macrumors 6502a

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    We need a link to ShadowKiller. It is a big speed up for a G3.
     
  8. iModFrenzy thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Thought I put it up already my bad! Link added to Tiger Optimizations
     
  9. MysticCow macrumors 6502a

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    There's also a kernel called iCooked. It only works for those G3's in the final iBook G3's. http://www.alxsoft.com/mac/icooked.html

    However, it is extremely specific. If you don't have that particular G3 (750FX) it won't speed things up.
     
  10. iModFrenzy thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Added and specified in Tiger Optimizations :)
     
  11. Dronecatcher macrumors 68020

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    Have you used it yourself? Any problems?
     
  12. MysticCow macrumors 6502a

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    I've used it. You just have to fiddle with it. Some settings freeze everything up. Some work just fine. If it freezes, a restart will fix it. But you can squeak out a hair more powerful from those iBooks.
     
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    While you're trying to squeeze more out of an old iBook, there was also a GPU overclocking tool for ATI cards called ATIcellerator II.

    I found this worked well at speeding up the Mobility 7500, 9700 and 9800 GPU performance quite well.

    Of course, overclocking brings added stress to a very old component. So beware, you might fry your old PowerPC.
     
  14. iModFrenzy thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Added it to the Tiger list, I'll add a warning too
     
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    I thought MR only allows one or two stickies?
     
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    No. The mods just don't like stickying a lot of threads. Depending on what you are browsing with it can make it so you have to scroll down to reach actual non-stickyed threads.
     
  17. AmazingHenry, Aug 4, 2017
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    If this is for new users, do you think we should remove the Xcode section? It may confuse people who use the newest version; Xcode 3 is very different.

    EDIT: Saw that the reason you added is was for software support, never mind!
    --- Post Merged, Aug 4, 2017 ---
    Made an organization edit and moved some things around
     
  18. AphoticD macrumors 68000

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    Xcode details for OP to edit;

    Xcode 3.2.x is Intel only and requires Snow Leopard. This was the final version of Xcode which was capable of building both Intel and PowerPC Apps (Universal Binaries) as standard. Xcode 4.x (Lion) can be modified for PPC builds, but ppc/ppc64 support was intentionally removed by Apple.


    Xcode PowerPC Version Compatibility:


    Leopard 10.5.8 uses Xcode 3.1.4
    Tiger 10.4.11 uses Xcode 2.5
    Panther 10.3.9 uses Xcode 1.5

    (These versions are still available direct from developer.apple.com)

    Jaguar 10.2.8 uses Mac OS X Developer Tools December 2002
    Puma 10.1.5 uses Mac OS X Developer Tools December 2001

    I have installed and tested all of these versions to confirm compatibility.

    I found the Developer Tools Dec 2001 disc (as well as a standard/retail installer CD for Puma) in a set of eMac installation discs. I can upload it if anyone is chasing a copy as Apple no longer offer these versions from their developer site.


    iOS/iPhone SDK for PowerPC

    There were never any official iOS/iPhone SDK releases for the PowerPC platform. However, various attempts were made to hack the iPhone v2.2 SDK to run the iPhone Simulator on PPC and to contort Xcode's into compiling for iPhone. However, these hacks didn't apply to iPhone v3.x SDK as the PPC code was removed from the binaries.

    I have not been able to find the v2.2 (or v2.2.1) iPhone SDK to download and test this, but it would be cool to see an old iPhone 3G simulator running on a PowerBook G4. I even have an old iPhone 3G tucked away for testing any new PowerPC developed iApps!
     
  19. Camacorn, Dec 30, 2017
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    I apologize for responding to this thread, but the ShadowKiller, and OnyX downloads do not work. The websites are alive, but the downloads are broken. I managed to find a copy of them online, and have created a working download page for a few helpful PowerPC applications on my web page. It is very light weight, and I have no trouble browsing it on my iMac G3.

    Misc. Mac OS Applications & Utilities:

    www.snipr.me/files.php
     
  20. pixelatedscraps macrumors 6502

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    Thanks for putting this together. I’ve just ordered a PowerBook G4 Ti 1Ghz and an acrylic ACD 23” HD from the bay and can’t wait to delve back into the PPC world - bring on Wing Commander III!

    (And hello to resurrecting previous PowerPCs!)
     
  21. ssvegeta96 macrumors newbie

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    You guys should add a sticky of where ppl can sell or trade their vintage macs to people who want them. Ebay is out of control with ignorant ppl
     
  22. eyoungren macrumors Core

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    There is a section of this forum that is precisely for what you describe.

    However, you need to have a certain amount of posts before the forum software grants you access to that forum.

    Within this particular section of the forum you can freely offer items you may wish to give away (for the cost of shipping if you wish) but items offered for sale outside of the marketplace forum usually bring down the wrath of the mods.
     
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    Glad you understood it Eyoungren. I'm still struggling with 'ppl'............;)
     
  24. eyoungren macrumors Core

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    'ppl' = people. :)
     
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