Former Apple Employee Charged With Theft of Trade Secrets Related to Autonomous Car Project [Updated]

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  1. Winni macrumors 68030


    Oct 15, 2008
    Yeah, because he personally hurt you?

    Statements like yours are completely out of proportion. This whole hard-liner mentality is exactly what turned your country into the cold nightmare it is today.
  2. GinoGelato macrumors newbie


    Jul 12, 2018
    Apple's whole profit margin is based on cheap chinese labour. Guess they're just trying to get their part of the cake.
  3. whyamihere macrumors 6502


    Jun 30, 2008
    You're right. Unless someone suffers personally from another's illegal activities, we should simply keep our mouths shut. Let's give this guy a pat on the back and just tell him not to do it again.

  4. jmpage2 macrumors 68040


    Sep 14, 2007
    Someone who doesn't live in our thriving vibrant country shouldn't refer to it as a "cold nightmare", we are LOL at you crazy people.
  5. BuddyTronic macrumors 6502a

    Jul 11, 2008
    I did not read this article much, but I believe I heard that apple has 5000 people working on autonomous vehicles. That is a big deal, and a big company with many employees working on something big like autonomous vehicles is WOW. Good job Apple! The Future is bright!

    AAPL stock to da moon!
  6. Col4bin macrumors 68000


    Oct 2, 2011
    El Segundo
  7. orangehand macrumors newbie

    Oct 23, 2006
    In what way is this a criminal matter? Surely it is for the civil courts - I can't possibly condone corporates using government agencies as their attack dogs. We have your dick of a leader here today, so most of us are feeling especially sensitive!
  8. AdonisSMU macrumors 603

    Oct 23, 2010
    People have been grumping about it for years but even Trump hasn't been effective in stopping it. If anything he's motivated China and the EU and Canada and Mexico and all of our trading partners to stop selling US products.
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    I actually think this guy should be criminally charged and locked up for a very long time and then sent back to China.
  9. toke lahti macrumors 68020

    Apr 23, 2007
    Helsinki, Finland
    I value highly on IP, but does US still value WTO regulation?
  10. developer13245, Jul 12, 2018
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    developer13245 macrumors 6502


    Nov 15, 2012
    This is an epic “If you lay down with dogs you get up with flees” story, which now makes perfect sense:

    Leftist U.S. ‘Institutions” including Universities, and Tech Oligarchies harbor a disproportionately large number of Chinese nationals (wander around an open tech campus and count for yourself). Chinese nationals are comfortable with single party (now dictatorial) authoritarian rule, so they lap up the leftist mind control flavor-aid served up in these environments (which is quite ‘weak’ compared to what they have to swallow in their ‘homeland’). This symbiotic relationship appeared to work quite well. But now Apple has found out they’ve been in a blind threesome the hole time and were being screwed by a much larger ‘player’: China. Duh!

    Apple’s own stupid arrogance has caused this, so it’s hard to feel sorry for them. It couldn’t have happened to a nicer bunch of jerks.

    And it’s just the “dunce cap” tip of the Iceberg:

    The US Government should charge a $50000 annual visa fee for any Chinese National working or going to school on US soil.

    We don’t need to deal with these thieves.
  11. danskin macrumors member

    Feb 22, 2013
    You get your part of the cake by negotiating and making yourself worth while for it. Not by stealing.
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    People don't have to be the direct victim to support a legitimate punishment. I don't need to be living in the middle east and have my family slaughtered in order for me to hate ISIS.
    Statement like this shows how America as a whole is now standing up against such hostile behaviour.
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    Please educate me, how is theft not a criminal matter?
  12. jasvncnt macrumors 6502


    Jan 20, 2011
    New Jersey
  13. Feenician macrumors 601


    Jun 13, 2016
    Wow. Infamy? There must be at least several examples of Apple destroying companies by hiring engineers then. Care to provide them? I mean examples where you can actually prove that an Apple hire destroyed a company.
  14. kdarling macrumors P6


    Jun 9, 2007
    First university coding class = 47 years ago
    One example is Mission Motors, an electric motorcycle startup which Apple killed off by poaching its top engineers.

    Then there's A123, the small battery company whose top engineers and chemists Apple poached in order to build their own car batteries, in violation of non-compete and trade secret agreements. Apple recently settled out of court with them.

    The biggest example that everyone knows about the way Apple dropped UK company Imagination Technologies as their GPU designer (after it helped make the iPhone popular), while hiring away all their engineers to a new Apple GPU design campus that was opened just down the road. I mean, talk about being blatant. This devastated the company so much they had to put themselves up for sale.
  15. Colonel Blimp macrumors member

    Colonel Blimp

    Dec 1, 2016
    You're forgetting that it was Apple that tried to halt the practice of poaching engineers. One of the first things Steve Jobs did when he returned to Apple in 1997 was call up the heads of the other major tech companies and get them to agree not to hire away each other's engineers.

    (Perhaps Jobs remembered how Microsoft had just hired away Claris's top OpenDoc engineers when they were developing an OpenDoc version of ClarisWorks, not because Microsoft wanted to develop something similar, but because the success of OpenDoc would have threatened Microsoft's entire Office suite business model, and Microsoft wanted to kill OpenDoc dead. Perhaps Jobs thought tech companies should compete on their own engineering merits, rather than on trying to undermine the work of their competitors. Perhaps Jobs had other reasons, but that is what he did.)

    For several years, Apple succeeded in halting the practice. Then just a few years ago, the Federal government determined that Apple's non-poaching agreements with other companies were illegal, since they restricted the freedom of employees to contract their services to whomever they chose. (I forget the details, but they were reported here on MacRumors.)

    As for the employee non-compete agreements to which you refer, they have long been legally unenforceable here in California.

    Apple have now been placed in the position where they have been told that, whether they like it or not, their employees are legally free to shop their services around to others, and that their competitors are legally free to poach their employees.

    When all of Apple's competitors are now free to poach Apple's own employees, do you really expect Apple to refrain from poaching the employees of others?

    If you don't think this is a healthy way to do business, then perhaps you should direct your comments to your legislators, since they, not Apple, write the law.

    (I speak only of the poaching of employees, not of the unauthorized use of trade secrets.)

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