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Wow, you're a man with real empathy! We are talking about a human here not a dead product! Amazing how things are being worshipped and humans are being used these days! What a greedy world!

What this man did is going to have a very real, very negative impact on a large number of families.

This has exactly nothing to do with ‘things’ and has everything to do with the damage he’s done to a lot of living, breathing people that trusted him.
 
After many discussions and getting to know these Chinese colleagues, I learned that as part of a socialist country, they were trained from birth that no one owned any property and so the notion of copying some intellectual property was incomprehensible. They simply operated on the principal that property was community owned so anyone in the community could take it and use it... and anything they created could also be taken and used by anyone else.

This is nonsense, and is exactly the sort of face saving BS I had fed to me many times during my tenure in Beijing. Whenever someone got caught it was always a "cultural misunderstanding", as if I as a foreigner couldn't possibly fathom why someone was trying to escape to Vancouver with a trunk full of money and their mistress.

One of the reasons I kept my job there for so long was that I wouldn't buy a word of anything and always tried to leverage those we dealt with outside China where they were subject to the rule of law.

I feel that Mr Trump has someone on his staff who understands China, and there is nothing short of dire force that will bring results to curb IP theft.
 
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This is exactly what President Trump has been reiterating for the past year. The U.S. needs to take Chinese theft more seriously.
 
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Good luck enforcing that for someone who moves to China (or the EU for that matter).

Huh? CNCs are standard in Europe (and for those European countries in the EU, there's no EU law prohibiting such...)
 
# of Apple employees working on a car: 5000+

# of Apple employees working on new MacBook Pros: 2 interns (LLoyd Christmas + Harry Dunne)

Looks like Apple isn’t joking around with the Apple car.

No wonder the Mac is being neglected. It’s pedal to the metal for all of Apple’s new projects, from health to AR to cars.
 
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Read the whole thing on scribbed... Well, at first I was assuming typical US paranoia. Turns out that guy really f***ed up. Very dumb attempt to steal IP.

After many discussions and getting to know these Chinese colleagues, I learned that as part of a socialist country, they were trained from birth that no one owned any property and so the notion of copying some intellectual property was incomprehensible.
Socialism != Communism. What you say is true for communism but not for socialism. #getyourfactstraight

China is constantly stealing American technology (with the blessing of their government that even encourages people and tries to get them to do it), and more needs to be done about it. For one American tech companies should stop hiring so many Chinese nationals.
Well... the bad news here is that a lot of this IP comes from actually employing foreigners, the final product is usually manufactured and assembled in China -and taxed in Ireland. Since, at the end, you're worrying about the wealth of the American citizen, the IP is only a small part in that chain (which the Chinese might even fail to apply properly). What's really hurting the US is the tax thing. ;) Even if you look beyond that, the stealing of IP (except any military stuff) is not what I would be primarily concerned about, but rather any security issue of any product manufactured in China. Big companies exercise certain control over production or reverse engineer their own products usually to check for low-level software or hardware level modifications, but that can't be afforded by smaller companies.
 
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Looks like Apple isn’t joking around with the Apple car.

No wonder the Mac is being neglected. It’s pedal to the metal for all of Apple’s new projects, from health to AR to cars.

Project Titan is alive and kickin'!
 
I hope they lock this guy up for life.

Over-the-top much? I don't get extreme reactions like this, as though he stole a child from you personally.

I'm assuming you don't know any more about the case than what is posted here, in which (though it doesn't look good) he's entitled to at least a fair trial and then a sentence determined by the court, not pundits from the street. Court sentences are often disproportionate but in this case I think it sounds reasonable if the amount of theft is that significant.

He seems pretty stupid if you ask me. Not least the (alleged) theft but he probably could've lived happily in China with immunity.
 
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This is how propaganda and disinformation work...

Step 1:...
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Step 3:...

Yes, folks, this is how it's done.

I was going to write something similar, but yours is so much better than what I would have written.
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Here is an interesting observation: if Apple seized his phone after resigning, do they have the ability to access all the information on the phone? They claim privacy for all, but I secretly think they have an internal ability to "break" into a phone to get what happened......or do they run a modified OS that allows them in via a backdoor? Pure speculation on my part, but am curious just the same.

It seems likely that there would be a different policy on work phones for this level of secrecy. Apple probably assigns, or at least knows, the ID and password for all of those phones. They are not personal devices.
 
What company would allow a terminating employer to work in any competing industry, especially in design and development. Not less then a one year no compete clause, standard.

Non-compete agreements are invalid in many US States, much less other countries.

Heck, Apple is infamous for hiring well informed engineers away from other companies... to the point of sometimes destroying those companies... in order to jump start their projects and save years of research.
 
China's communal culture is not the best fit for Silicon Valley. This engineer obviously did not thrive in whatever glass cage Apple dropped him in.
 
Be very wary of any foreign national that you hire....they all could be spies......an extradition may be hard.
What? Tim is very proud to hire immigrants to diversify its workforce.
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Here is an interesting observation: if Apple seized his phone after resigning, do they have the ability to access all the information on the phone? They claim privacy for all, but I secretly think they have an internal ability to "break" into a phone to get what happened......or do they run a modified OS that allows them in via a backdoor? Pure speculation on my part, but am curious just the same.
If it was a work phone issued by Apple, then I would say yes as they are the owner of the equipment.
 
This is how propaganda and disinformation work...

Well, the Chinese government is widely known for stealing IP.

Unless you you have been living under a rock, you've probably heard that EU, Japan, and other countries are complaining about this as well. Many companies in China are either state-owned or have deep connection to state officials, so he has a point.
 
This is exactly what President Trump has been reiterating for the past year. The U.S. needs to take Chinese theft more seriously.
As long as we continue to have U.S. companies that set up manufacturing plants in China, we will continue to see knock-offs brands sold here.
 
I have worked in US tech companies that had teams in China, and leading work that needed to be original in order for us to claim license/patent on it. I found countless times that my colleagues in China submitted content, signed that it was their original work, and I was suspicious by how well written it was. A quick Google search found word for word plagiarism of the material.

After many discussions and getting to know these Chinese colleagues, I learned that as part of a socialist country, they were trained from birth that no one owned any property and so the notion of copying some intellectual property was incomprehensible. They simply operated on the principal that property was community owned so anyone in the community could take it and use it... and anything they created could also be taken and used by anyone else.

Obviously in this case the guy was breaking laws and should have the full extent of the law thrown at him, but we need to understand what we are dealing with when dealing with anything in China. Its not "fair" to trade with someone who is trying to steal your property.
And that is Communism, everything for everyone and the state owns it all. I've got a client that used to work with factories in China, and it was a constant battle to keep their intellectual property safe. Finally, they've been able to buy their own factory, and even though they have more control, still, it's a daily fight.
 
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Glad they caught him, but it also makes you wonder how many get away?

Possibly quite a few more. What's interesting about this is that Apple had no idea what he was doing, it was only when he was 'evasive' in his exit interview that they got suspicious and decided to investigate. They had the data, but nothing about his unusual data access was automatically picked up.
 
# of Apple employees working on a car: 5000+

# of Apple employees working on new MacBook Pros: 2 interns (LLoyd Christmas + Harry Dunne)
No where in this document does it say 5,000 Apple employees are working on this project. All it says is they’re disclosed. And 2,700 have access to project specific databases. None of that means these people are working full time on the project.
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Looks like Apple isn’t joking around with the Apple car.

No wonder the Mac is being neglected. It’s pedal to the metal for all of Apple’s new projects, from health to AR to cars.
According to this document Apple has over 135,000 employees. The idea that the Mac is being neglected in favor of any of those things is nonsense. I highly doubt the guy on stage with John Gruber at WWDC who owns AR at Apple has anything to do with getting new Intel processors in Macs.
 
Possibly quite a few more. What's interesting about this is that Apple had no idea what he was doing, it was only when he was 'evasive' in his exit interview that they got suspicious and decided to investigate. They had the data, but nothing about his unusual data access was automatically picked up.
I thought that was interesting as well but failed to mention it. You'd think they could employ some sort of ML that picks up on anomalous behaviors across data networks. Especially ones accessing secure projects. I get that they need people to manage these database systems, but they need some sort of dual-control or better access where an employee needs authentication from a higher up manager who then oversees these sensitive data transfers. I used to work in banking back in college and it worked well when transferring large sums of money between vaults. Still not perfect but more difficult to pull off than the "any system admin can access this" way that they have now. For all we know this had already been remedied and is part of the recent crackdown which has seen fewer leaks in the past year. I think Apple tends to want to be more trusting of their employees as they value privacy but they're beginning to realize the price they pay for such philosophy. Privacy in the workplace shouldn't be guaranteed when working on work machines involving multi-billion dollar projects.
 
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