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I assume OP is referring to the methods Google uses to keep tabs on people and then sell the data to advertisers and who knows who else. Technically users consent to allow Google to log every step you make (literally) when you use it's apps, online, or hardware. But of course most people don't read click licenses and even if they do it's still really hard for many to grasp that Google could be tracking them even with their phone's WiFi, Cellular, and BT off (eventually it has to go back on). Google isn't really forthcoming about all this. It does the minimum education about what it does possible. Facebook is only slightly better, so it's not just Google. But this is each's business model. There is a reason Apple sells "security" as a feature. Apple's business model does not depend on data collection. Unfortunately, Siri lags where, say, Alexa excels, on convenience and being more open to developers.
but that's the thing.
Why do you care if google is tracking your location etc?
Your telephone company already knows where you are at any point.
Your cable company knows what youre watching...your ISP knows what you're browsing. nothing is secret anymore, so why are we so protective over our made up sense of privacy?
 
I use to defend Siri but it has gotten to the point of being funny how horrible it is compared to Alexa and Assistant. If I need to send a text or create a reminder/calendar entry Siri is great. For most other things it really struggles. Apple has the resources to fix this but they are too busy making horrible tv shows and doing the social thing. Really frustrating. Wish they would go back to being a tech company.
 
Or Alexa for that matter. I agree. It's a shame.
Siri blows them all away when it comes to sports. Ask them all who’s pitching for the Yankees tomorrow. Siri gives me the names and stats of both pitchers. Google and Alexa give web results. It’s not as bad as everyone makes it seem. Agreed it should be way way better by now. But it’s not some abomination and one has to assume the SDK will get better. As it did for iPhone. Remember how long it took to get extensions? Everyone said they’ll never do it. They did. When they could. There’s only so many people working so many hours in a day.
 
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They all can improve. I own an Echo Dot and Alexa can be vastly inferior to Siri at times “turn off all the lights” for example. Siri can handle it with no issues, Alexa “can’t seem to find all the lights” or something of that sort. Just one example amongst many others.

Obviously the 3rd party integration sets Alexa apart, but we’re still far from the utopian future where any of these assistants actually sound intelligent.
 
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Biggest problem with Siri for me is it doesn't get my accent. Australian but living in US for over a decade, neither American or Australian english settings work well. Very frustrating. Google assistant doesn't have this issue.
 
I've always wondered what Steve Jobs saw in Tim Cook.

This is a possibility, however remote: Considering the legacy that Steve Jobs achieved, it's possible Jobs didn't want a successor who might one-up his accomplishments and diminish his role. A presidential candidate never selects a VP running mate who is more qualified than himself to lead. Perhaps Jobs wanted to preserve his legacy forever.
 
but that's the thing.
Why do you care if google is tracking your location etc?
Your telephone company already knows where you are at any point.
Your cable company knows what youre watching...your ISP knows what you're browsing. nothing is secret anymore, so why are we so protective over our made up sense of privacy?

Two or three or four wrongs doesn't make it right though. Just because others do it doesn't mean it should be accepted practice.

The point is, if people voluntarily give up their privacy, and understand exactly how they are being "spied" on and how that data will be used, thats fine. But companies like Google, and yes ISPs, are less than forthcoming. That's the problem. Not all of us are surrender monkeys resigned to relinquish privacy just because others can get access to it. It's amazing to me how people get all up in arms when they hear the government is spying but then don't give a second thought with the largest companies in the world are compiling dossiers on them.
 
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In my estimation, Siri is like the class clown when compared to Google's and Amazon's offerings. I've come to not expect much from Siri over the years. I know what it's capable of doing and what it's not capable of doing and I pretty much stick to the same types of commands/requests all the time because I've learned that if I expect much more from it, I almost always end up disappointed.
 
Multiple timers might be useful for cooking, but otherwise it's decent at making reminders, dictating patient notes, replying to email/SMS etc...

Wait, so you are dictating patient information into an online voice assistant submitting it to third party servers?

I'd advice strongly against that.
 
Tim would rather virtue signal. Or sing carpool karaoke than do the visionary thing.

His background is making a supply chain work. Not very helpful for envisioning the future.

Yep, it's a shame Cook is still there. Granted, Apple is doing well profit wise but let's be honest, most any decent CEO could've steered the iOS/iphone/ipad ship post jobs.

It's not just Siri. All the services need work, cloud, maps, you name it. But what's really inexcusable is Mac performance and letting this fall off a cliff especially with iOS to leverage. Out of education. Dropped business pretty much. Macs remain Apple's most important product but no one has thought to let Cook know this. I'd have to add there's a blatant lack of trust with Cook too. I can hardly believe most of what he says because he just sits there and exaggerates or embellishes when he doesn't have to do so.

These days, Apple seems worried about becoming the next Netflix and original content. Kinda wish they'd back up and remember what Apple is all about.

I'm a fan of Apple products but not so much of its leadership and choices they make.
 
what do you mean by 'ethics'?

how are they hurting anybody?

I'm not being facetious, I'm actually genuinely interested in why people think this.

Where to begin...

What it fundamentally comes down to is that you are not Google's customer - you are the product being sold. That stands in stark contrast to your relationship with Apple (assuming you have one).
 
Siri hasn't improved much since I first used it and it wasn't great then so I'm unsure where this "lead" comes from.
 
Significant advances? Siri seems about the same since its launch...

Well we've seen improvements since the initial launch while it was under Forstall's watch ... there was no competition then.

I don't agree with placing any blame on Forstsall ... there was no Siri competition until the last few months before he was pushed out and well Google wasn't even close at that time in 2012.

Regarding Williamson, stating decisions concerning " 'technical leadership of the software and server infrastructure' were made by employees below his level, while he was responsible for getting the team on track" What kind of idiocy does a manager have to practice to come up with this? This is pure Amelio style (point the ship on the right path, while it leaks water)! His responsibility was to field teams concerns ... make a decision and explain to the team why one decision works for the time, and while the other path can be achieved through dedicated updates. Get the team on both sides to accomplish what they both feel is right yet in tandem. This would've been a HUGE WIN WIN. Yet he chose the path of unorganized lack of direction. Way to go Williamson.Sure he may have had other more pressing concerns at the time ... which the real issue lies in top level management not specifying a team specifically and solely on Siri.

Absolutely no company should have internal employees & teams working so isolated that the 'left ball doesn't know what the right ball is doing'! This is 2018 (2012 back then) every department should be able to and willing to share data information ideas to assist the other in a healthy environment. I thought that's what Apple had cultivated and was supposed to be.

Most reviews and debates on the best connected speaker(s) seems to go for Amazon's products or Google Home Max. Yet I've seen designs and products from Harmon Kardon Allure (Alexa) and Sony's LF-S50G (Google Assistant) which is splash resistant, a Sony signature that started the industry in feature phones and smartphones before anyone else; making it perfect for kitchen installation/use.
 
its probably fine (for now) but i wouldn't me just improving other projects... I'd be getting a team who's "sole" responsibility is to do Siri from scratch.. Another team for iCloud *only*...

When you have same people overseeing different projects, its becomes a real pain in the butt.. which is what we have today.

Your mind if not focused on one thing, so Apple made a turning point and went straight down.
 
apple will continue to flog the cell phone market till its completely dead and covered in flies.
 
I too fully support and appreciate Apple's stance on privacy. But... privacy can't be used as an excuse for Siri's condition.
  • Opening it up to 3rd parties for additional functionality would not negate privacy, particularly with a very capable but security aware API
  • Given that Siri can already point to website's with answers, adding the ability to READ those answers would not negate privacy. Yes, this is an area where Google will excel, but it does not absolve Apple of responsibility.
  • There is nothing to prevent Apple from anonymizing data to improve Siri across the board
Am I missing something?
Of course you're missing something. We all are. Including me in the opinion I'm about to give (which is based on fact, but still opinion).

This is incredibly complex and my personal opinion is that Apple is updating Siri at a pace that makes sense to them, using the available data while keeping privacy in mind. Based on what we know about Amazon and Google, privacy is not a priority.
 
"Squandered" is relative. I don't believe Apple is trying to be Google, at least in terms of using customer data and behavior as power for their AI.

Siri is absolutely better than it used to be. I appreciate Apple trying to get somewhere without using every possible data point at the expense of privacy to do it.

Can you objectively highlight in which ways it was better than it was when it first came out? the pathetic homekit integration, or lack thereof? The only way it could have gotten better is due to the existence of other Apple services such as Maps.
 
The point is, if people voluntarily give up their privacy, and understand exactly how they are being "spied" on and how that data will be used, thats fine. But companies like Google, and yes ISPs, are less than forthcoming.

Oh good grief. Just go to your Google Dashboard, and you can see, delete and control a lot of what their computers automatically store.

Personally, I'm happy they store my location trail. It has become very handy to be able to go back and see exactly when I was last at a particular place. And for Google Search to understand the context when I ask about a place I've been.

What it fundamentally comes down to is that you are not Google's customer - you are the product being sold. That stands in stark contrast to your relationship with Apple (assuming you have one).

Double good grief. Apple has sold us to Google for over a decade now, by getting billions in cash kickbacks from Google Search being the standard search engine.

We ARE Apple's product that they sell. To Google. To advertisers when they tried iAds, and now to developers with their App Ads. To banks, with a ransom for each Apple Pay purchase.
 
This is a possibility, however remote: Considering the legacy that Steve Jobs achieved, it's possible Jobs didn't want a successor who might one-up his accomplishments and diminish his role. A presidential candidate never selects a VP running mate who is more qualified than himself to lead. Perhaps Jobs wanted to preserve his legacy forever.

Well, if that was his thinking he succeeded beyond belief. However, I doubt that was his intention.
 
How often is it you see individuals talking to their phones anyway? NEVER

Are Siri and the likes really the most efficient way to get things done? NO

Do we really need them now when we did just fine without them before? NO
For playing music on a speaker, a voice assistant makes a world of difference.
 
Biggest problem with Siri for me is it doesn't get my accent. Australian but living in US for over a decade, neither American or Australian english settings work well. Very frustrating. Google assistant doesn't have this issue.

Just stop ending your sentences with cobber or mate and you’ll be fine

But seriously, I’m an Aussie and have no issues at all...
 
Tim would rather virtue signal. Or sing carpool karaoke than do the visionary thing.

His background is making a supply chain work. Not very helpful for envisioning the future.
If the supply chain doesn’t work there isn’t much of a future now is there?
 
Two or three or four wrongs doesn't make it right though. Just because others do it doesn't mean it should be accepted practice.

The point is, if people voluntarily give up their privacy, and understand exactly how they are being "spied" on and how that data will be used, thats fine. But companies like Google, and yes ISPs, are less than forthcoming. That's the problem. Not all of us are surrender monkeys resigned to relinquish privacy just because others can get access to it. It's amazing to me how people get all up in arms when they hear the government is spying but then don't give a second thought with the largest companies in the world are compiling dossiers on them.
Perhaps. Appreciate your insight.
I still think that the cat is out of the bag at this point, and if google is in the business of selling to advertisers what is practically semi-public information, let them, if it means i get better service.
 
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