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I know that there was an aura of anti-skeuomorphism floating around for a while there while everyone was excited about an iOS redesign, but iOS 7 really made me realize how much skeuomorphism was a good thing in iOS. It made the phone feel like home and made it feel familiar. You open any app and you immediately knew how to use it. It was an empowering feeling when I first used iOS for the first time (with the first iPod touch), the feeling of just *knowing* how to do everything.

5+ years later of using it and a redesign comes out and I've never been more confused and annoyed. Who seriously thought that white backgrounds and thin text was a good design and a good replacement for the familiarity that skeuomorphism offered? Forstall may have let the popularity get to his head (from what I heard) but ousting him was a huge mistake and totally undeserved. Apple lost the one person in the company with the most experience with iPhone UI and replaced him with somebody who hasn't touched software in his life, and the results show it. Ive is a master of hardware design but he has no idea what he's doing with software design, and iOS7 may look pretty on paper but usability has suffered badly. Say what you want about skeuomorphism, but it was just better than what we have now. For me, I'm just sad that a brilliant company like Apple allowed 6 years of engineering go to waste and be replaced by, frankly, amateur-hour-grade software design and programming.

You guys talk like you worked for him...we have absolutely no idea why he was fired. I'm guessing maps was the final straw.
 
I'm not saying every single thing is worse in iOS7, but usability definitely is. Replacing buttons and familiarity with *text* is..a bit thick.
 
This is what I imagine Soctt's ouster looked like... At the time Scott was fired people were complaining that ios6 was tired and incumbered, it was also right around the time Maps came out. The execs had meetings to discuss the problems, Scott was amendment that ios remain largely unaltered feeling that change for the sake of change was against Apple's core principals. Jony and Tim felt that change would improve ios. Scott also felt under appreciated having worked very hard on maps. Scott said ios would not change under his oversight. Tim has zero patience for insubordination and fired Scott.

Scott should start his own company or go work for Xiaomi in China with Hugo Barra.

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just to play devil's advocate, you should read this take on iOS 7 UI;

http://uxcritique.tumblr.com/

Most of those complaints are pretty pathetic.

Like 'notes icons need more contrast'. No, they're supposed to be low contrast so they don't distract.

Also the trim thing. People who aren't clinically retarded would easily figure out that the 'trim' opposite the 'cancel' is the button. Those are your options.

'Is airplane mode on or off?' Anyone who has ever used a light switch generally knows that when something is light it is on, when it is dark it is off.

Seriously. Do people want iOS to be designed for the dumbest of the dumb? Can people not intuitively learn what is a button and what isn't when there are only 3 pieces of text on screen and one is a title? Can people not learn when something is selected/highlighted?

There are legitimate complaints one might have about ios7 but this tumblr reports none of them.
 
This is what I imagine Soctt's ouster looked like... At the time Scott was fired people were complaining that ios6 was tired and incumbered, it was also right around the time Maps came out. The execs had meetings to discuss the problems, Scott was amendment that ios remain largely unaltered feeling that change for the sake of change was against Apple's core principals. Jony and Tim felt that change would improve ios. Scott also felt under appreciated having worked very hard on maps. Scott said ios would not change under his oversight. Tim has zero patience for insubordination and fired Scott.

Scott should start his own company or go work for Xiaomi in China with Hugo Barra.

sounds like a story right out of a comic book.
 
Better than the ***holes who designed iOS 7. This guy is a hero.

That ******* is the same guy that you praise for everything Apple hardware related. Maybe ******* is a little extreme? Furthermore, why does he have to be an *******? He didn't get Scott fired. Scott fired himself...at least from what I've read
 
Funny how someone who had such a bad relationship with Jony Ive and Bob Mansfield would sit right next to them at product launches.
 

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He'll start his own company and then Apple will acquire it :D

It reminds me something... :p
 
Scott Forstall surfaces after quiet year of traveling and philanthropy, when the strange echoes of voluminous bellowing laughter rolling across the savannah for the last couple months turned out to be echoes of Mr Forstalls reaction to experiencing the dysfunctional laughing stock of an OS that Apple replaced his own with.

The rest of the world didn't find this anywhere near as funny and was rather cross instead.

Neither were available for comment, but Mr Forstalls grin having lept off his face, said plenty, but asked not to be quoted.
 
Not really, Tim just didn't want to deal with it. I feel that the negativity between Scott and Jony produced great products.

Except everything that's been reported seems to indicate they didn't really work together much. Hardware design had no input on software and vice versa. Now apparently hardware and software design collaborate much more closely.
 
This guy needs to go back to Apple.

Ive's iOS7 fiasco is much worse than Scott's Maps fiasco.

I think you mean Apple needs this guy to come back. He doesn't need Apple, he's gotten along just fine since leaving.

Hilarious how many on this forum talked so much crap about Scott and now they are asking for him to come back. Get real.
 
So he designed Aqua and worked with Apple pretty much since the beginning of the successful Apple (post NeXt), yet he was only fired for medium mistakes in a single iOS app? Sounds a bit harsh to me!

I do prefer iOS 7's design though, but it seems he contributed a lot to Apple to be fired like that. Surely there's more to the story?

I believe that was the final straw as opposed to being the one reason. There was a lot of talk at the time that heads of other divisions would dread being in a meeting room with him, so far as to some not being willing to meet with him unless Tim Cook was also in the meeting.

If that is the case, then the firing would be more about the attitude than it was the Maps fiasco. As it was, even the Maps theory more often hinges on the fact that Forstall refused to sign the apology letter that Tim Cook issued rather than him getting fired for the Maps application itself. SUpposedly he felt Apple didn't owe anyone an apology.
 
The only people I've seen who like iOS 7 only use terms such as "modern" and "better" without any reasons. I have a pile of specific usability problems that get on my nerves all the time. Not just the interface, but the design of some of the new features. Ah well, some people will love anything new for modernity sake.

Exactly, just as candid as you just were fully explaining in detail what your problems were with iOS7. You're no better than the people you're ragging on.
 
There seems to be quite a bit of negative groupthink going on here. The majority of iOS users are quite happy with iOS 7. Maps, on the other hand, was indeed a fiasco, and the person responsible for delivering refused to take responsibility.
Actually, the whole "Maps fiasco" seemed invented to me. Sure, Apple's Maps app wasn't (and still isn't) as accurate as Google Maps. But that wasn't due to the app itself being awful, but rather because their database (include POI information) was simply not as extensive as Google's. And it still isn't, and may never be.

The iOS7 redesign, OTOH, is a completely different story.
 
I believe that was the final straw as opposed to being the one reason. There was a lot of talk at the time that heads of other divisions would dread being in a meeting room with him, so far as to some not being willing to meet with him unless Tim Cook was also in the meeting.

If that is the case, then the firing would be more about the attitude than it was the Maps fiasco. As it was, even the Maps theory more often hinges on the fact that Forstall refused to sign the apology letter that Tim Cook issued rather than him getting fired for the Maps application itself. SUpposedly he felt Apple didn't owe anyone an apology.

Tim Cook and the executive team's obsession with collaboration I think is the best explanation for why Forstall was fired. The other SVP's work well together, they didn't with Scott.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if he starts working for Microsoft. They are a potential threat with the right GUI and improved ecosystem.
 
Hated him on stage, had an arrogance about him which didn't go down well with me.

Still, did a pretty good job of iOS over the years.
 

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My dream scenario is that Forstall becomes CEO of Microsoft with a blank cheque to transform the company, and then beats the arrogant Apple crowd at its own game.

Apple has already started the transition of becoming the next Microsoft, in all the worst senses. Forstall could re-work Windows 8.

Think of it. If Windows 8 becomes fantastic under Forstall, it doesn't need to battle for market share since it already is king of the park in terms of marketshare.

Then Apple might be buried in its arrogant stash of cash, with a tombstone that reads: pride comes before a fall.

The take-home lesson for Apple, from Blackberry, is that having a massive pile of cash cannot save a company, once the fickle public decides they like something else.

Apple will have to get killed under a truck to learn the lesson that you discard the professional market at your peril, by solely chasing the fickle consumer market.

Remember: Pros need to keep their systems consistent, year after year, to get their jobs done - whereas consumers change whims as fast as throwing out Sony in preference to Samsung.

There has to be a payback day for Apple throwing out matte antiglare screens that many pro's need - and dumbing down the software to cater for idiots who can't figure out how to use a multi-layered filing system.

If there's justice in the universe, there has to be a payback date.

If your sole reason for thinking Apple cannot fall, is because of their massive pile of money, then, you, my friend, are not a student of corporate history.

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