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Except that a good majority of the complaints about missing features are features that actually exist, but in a different way. So yes you have to think differently because the software deals with edits/video/audio differently.

Really, where is the multicam support, the external tv monitoring, XML/ODF export, tape import and export, etc?
 
Not sure what the beef is?

I worked in post for a long time and rarely saw FCP in that field. All the pros used Avid or Media 100 and dismissed FCP as "good only for wedding vids".

I have been out of it for 3 years, but did FCP really gain enough momentum and critical mass to become the new industry-standard?

I don't know about Industry Standard but it's been used for more than just wedding videos.
 
Arn lol I didn't read the article, to be honest, I just saw another FCX headline, and just ranted on....

Wouldn't you agree that the "Pros" should just innovate with the tools they have? meaning just give FCPX a shoot, starting from scratch... I think the pro market needs to THINK DIFFERENT this time around, Not Apple.

I think you just don't understand the implications that dropping all those features from FCPX had for high-end users. There's nothing to think differentLY for them - they simply cannot do their work with FCPX because it does NOT have the features that they REQUIRE. The old versions of Final Cut Pro HAD these features, so FCPX simply is an inferior product that carries the "Pro" tag without any justification.

FCPX should have been named Final Cut Express or iMovie Pro and everybody would have been happy with it. But in it's current incarnation, it's just not a worthy successor to the old Final Cut Pro.

Just because it MIGHT be easier to edit with it does NOT excuse for the lack of required features that its predecessor had.

Or to put it that way: If Apple keeps on selling products that carry the letters "PRO" in its name, Apple would be well advised to actually TALK to its PRO customers and LISTEN to them. Everybody else in the industry does it, and there are reasons why the competition is so successful - and why Apple now receives a deserved beating.
 
Good job mac users have Bootcamp. Seems like if they want to use pro as opposed to prosumer software this is the way to go. I bet it is a good product though. If it was the express version.
 
Ys, I have read it, but I can't find any alternative to what I have listed. Can you show where those alternatives are?

companies like AJA and Blackmagic offer free deck control software that allows you to capture from tape and output to tape.

It was located in the link that I provided
 
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You guys deal in a cliquish industry where it matters what application environment is used regardless if whether that translates into a superior product in the end or not.
Cheers

So the solution is to trap the user in a half baked environment and not play with others at all? That's going to result in superior quality I'm sure.
 
Thanks for proving my point, FCP X doesn't have tape import or export as I have said

Who wants tapes any more ?
Dinosaurs maybe !!!

Its the tapeless era ... get over with it .

We dont care if Holywood PRO (so called) want tapes, EDL etc.

Third party companies like AJA - Black Magic are responsible for their hardware not Apple !
And they said that they will support soon with drivers (AJA has Beta drivers already)... so where is the problem?

Keep using FCP 7 , until FCPX is ready for YOU.

For me is already there :D
 
10,000 users at 299.00 is about $3 million. Subtract the dev costs and support costs after purchase they actually might be losing money on it. Who wants that. Apple isn't in the business to do the right thing, they are in it to make money. PERIOD. They are not in it to make us happy either, no matter what the commercials say. If you remember that simple fact you will always understand where Apple's true love lies and what motivates them.
Hey, if they loved us, they'd build a ********* manufacturing plant in the US, or if they loved the US they'd bring back their billions in overseas banks.
No my friends, Apple is Microsoft is BP is Goldman Sachs.
 
remember my words, in two or three years there will be no mac pro anymore... :(
 
what is the difference between a pro editor and one who shares ideas through montage?

enlighten me.

A lot of pro editors work in a team environment where others finish the product so there is a need to share assets across multiples systems. Ie audio finishing, color correction, titles, special effects, adding foley sounds.
 
So no, there is no alternative on FCPX for those things. Can you show me where on FCPX can I import from tape?

You didn't ask me for FCPX tape export, you asked me for alternatives.

Please ask your questions more accurately.

Who wants tapes any more ?
Dinosaurs maybe !!!

Its the tapeless era ... get over with it .

We dont care if Holywood PRO (so called) want tapes, EDL etc.

Third party companies like AJA - Black Magic are responsible for their hardware not Apple !
And they said that they will support soon with drivers (AJA has Beta drivers already)... so where is the problem?

Keep using FCP 7 , until FCPX is ready for YOU.

For me is already there

Last time I upgraded, I went tapeless. I know tapes are on their way out.
 
Who wants tapes any more ?
Dinosaurs maybe !!!

Its the tapeless era ... get over with it .

We dont care if Holywood PRO (so called) want tapes, EDL etc.

Wow, you aren't very learned in video formats and workflows.

Tron: Legacy and Avatar (like many Sony F23 and F35 productions) were shot at 880Mbit/s on HDCAM SR tape. At a (virtually) uncompressed 4:4:4 chroma-subsampling.

That's right.... on tape. A tape that holds hundreds of gigabytes and provides production houses with an archivable, digital negative.

Yup... sounds really dinosauric.
 
If you go back to the days when the two Steves worked from the Jobs' garage, you'll see one thing: make computing easy and available to the masses. The fact that it took a laser printer and DTP software to take Apple to the pro level of the design/publishing industry was fortuitous.

Check out old SJ interviews and Apple has stuck to its raison d'être throughout its existence. FCPX will come good, even though it won't let me import video that iMovie does without blinking.
 
Wow, you aren't very learned in video formats and workflows.

Tron: Legacy and Avatar (like many Sony F23 and F35 productions) were shot at 880Mbit/s on HDCAM SR tape. At a (virtually) uncompressed 4:4:4 chroma-subsampling.

That's right.... on tape. A tape that holds hundreds of gigabytes and provides production houses with an archivable, digital negative.

Yup... sounds really dinosauric.

There will be options to do that... why do i have to pay more for something i dont want ?
Now, i can do more for only 300$.

If i want tapes or anything else , i can with third party support... where is the problem ?
 
If I didn't know any better, I'd think at least 1,000 of those 10,000 had nothing better to do than post on these forums ... Perhaps people are misusing the "pro" qualification.

... as confirmed by a -14 rating and post #158.

If I didn't know any better, I'd think at least 1 of those 10^X complainers who complain about complainers had nothing better to do than post on these forums ...
 
You have no idea what you're talking about obviously. Pro studios can no longer add seats if they don't have extra licenses around for the older Final Cut Pro/Studio because Apple, foolishly, EOL'd it when they released iMovie Pro. If you have 15-20 editors all working on projects together, that cannot be imported into iMovie Pro, then they are screwed.

This whole "adding seats" thing is such a baloney argument. Do you ever stop to think Apple knows exactly how many "seats" are getting added on a monthly basis? I'm sure it's not many. They know the numbers, they've run the numbers and they decided they could take the risk of upsetting those tens of added seats (if that many) every month by rewriting the software from scratch to build a significantly improved base that will benefit everyone.

And yes I've worked on TV, live TV, behind the camera, in front of the camera, producing, directing, editing, you name it. I bought my own copies of Final Cut Pro then upgraded to Studio 3 to edit on my own time. I don't feel abandoned at all, and am excited about FCPX and the possibilities it brings. Sucks that I feel like I have to include that, with all the elitist "pros" running around telling people they're noobs who don't know what they're talking about.
 
The "Pro" market complainers need to THINK DIFFERENT, not Apple, cause FCPX is different..

Case in point that "different" does not mean "better".

Sustaining oneself off toenail clippings and boogers is different.

Drinking soup through your nostrils is different.
 
That or sell them to TheFoundry or Side Effects Software. Though I can see these two merging in the future. Nuke + Houdini

Ron, can do a better job then Randy.

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Apple really should spin off their pro division. Let then maintain a close working relationship with Apple, Inc., but they can design their own software, Mac Pros, Xserves, etc. Clearly Apple Consumer Electronics are no longer interested in the Pro market. Which is fine, they should just acknowledge reality and allow pros to get the tools they need elsewhere.
 
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