Four Takeaways From Samsung's Galaxy S22 Event for Apple Users

[kognos]

That really doesn’t make much sense in terms of how consumers think though. It’s common knowledge that iPhones have a very strong resale value over android phones, and that’s not to knock Samsung devices. But the reality is, it is due to the sheer popularity of the iPhone.

I mean, simple research will show you a three year old iPhone compared to a new-ish Samsung phone, the values are very similar. So what does that tell you?

Actually that's not common knowledge, and you're preaching to the biased choir here @ MacRumors . Apple devices have as much value as Samsung devices, which speaks to craftsmanship and the device itself (scratched, wear, etc). You can't guarantee any device wear, so I'm presuming a "good" / "nonscratched" phone here.

The value of any mobile device goes down significantly after 3 years of raw age, so the only thing you can do is look at 3-year-old devices from today, not from 10 years ago. Historical references are meaningless, because we're not selling to the past. And if you compare resell costs of Samsung devices for today's market vs Apple resale prices, they are comparable. I can get ~500-700 for last year's Samsung AND Apple. I can get ~200 for 3 year old Samsung and Apple. So what does that tell you?

This isn't a better-than/worse-than argument, just a point that Apple doesn't universally hold a "very strong resale value over Android phones" ... they both enjoy a good resale value, period. Android phones may be all over the place, and given that this is a Samsung thread, in regards to Samsung, I'd say they're comparable.

If you think I'm making an exception out of your rule, understand that Android holds a significantly larger market share than IOS, and out of that slice, Samsung phones hold about as much (if not more) market share in the total mobile market as Apple does. So they should be compared equivalently, not against the other Android devices fighting for the top position.

 

[44267547]

Apple devices have as much value as Samsung devices

No, respectfully, you’re still not understanding. It’s the other way around, Samsung devices generally do not have as much value as Apple devices. And you’re kind of vague with your statement, what specific models are you comparing here that would ‘have as much value as an iPhone’?

I mean, if you just take time to do some simple research, with the likes of like Swappa or even eBay, you can see the vast differences of resale value with an iPhone that might be three-to-four years old compared to a two-year-old galaxy device.

 

[macduke]

Title:

Four Takeaways From Samsung's Galaxy S22 Event for Apple Users​

My initial thought: Why is Samsung having an event for Apple users?

What title should read:

Four Takeaways for Apple Users From Samsung's Galaxy S22 Event​

 

[fatlardo]

Is there a market for Android tablets?

Android essentially gave up on tablet software years ago. Even big tech companies don’t have Android tablet specific apps. It’s just blown up phone apps.

12L

 

[KevinN206]

The fact that Samsung needs to promise Android updates for a certain number of years is still beyond ridiculous. They don't make the operating system and thus should have nothing to do with this. If they didn't insist on shipping their own fudged version of Android, people could just upgrade their Android version whenever they please and the world would be a better place.

If I'll ever buy an Android phone it'll be a Google Pixel, because hell will have to freeze over before I'll allow Samsung to be the useless middleman for my mobile operating system.

Ironically Pixel gets 3 OS updates while Samsung will get 4 OS updates. But you will get each update with Pixel much quicker.

 

[KevinN206]

Is there a market for Android tablets?

Android essentially gave up on tablet software years ago. Even big tech companies don’t have Android tablet specific apps. It’s just blown up phone apps.

I think there's a market for Samsung tablet. I own a S6 and S7+ both are AMOLED. Watching movies and videos on these are still better than any LCD. What kind of apps that are still blown up phone?

 

[KevinN206]

It's sad when Apple doesn't do anything new for Samsung to copy. I'm surprised Sammy hasn't released ALL flip phones, as you know, that's the future...cough...cough... (end of snark)

Like the larger iPhones - the laughable phablet at one point in time.

 

[Achillias]

I find it funny when people talk about iPad iOS and the so called optimized apps. I've been using the iPad Pro for 1 year now, and there are tons of apps still not optimized for the big screen. I really don't get those praises. Yes iOS got strong apps to edit video's on but besides that. It's really overblown how 'good' the apps store is.

 

[XXPP]

ok... anyway.

 

[ian87w]

4 years of Android upgrades is good news, especially since they included the S21 series. This is definitely an attempt to lure in enterprise contracts with longer support cycle.

But Samsung can be inconsistent. Eg. The highly popular A51 just dropped to just biannual security patches, which is bad considering even most of cheaper Samsung models are still on quarterly cycle.

I wouldn't count the 5th year of security updates. Sure, it's better than nothing, but it won't mean much if it's just biannual cycle, meaning you only get 2 patches on the last year. Might as well upgrade at that point.

 

[Adf85]

At this point you could put 100GB RAM in a Samsung phone with a 2500MP camera, and you'd be dead in the water because you are stuck with Android. It doesn't matter what they say about Apple being expensive and boring, things work fine, and the operating system works fine for the everyday user

 

[Smearbrick]

At this point you could put 100GB RAM in a Samsung phone with a 2500MP camera, and you'd be dead in the water because you are stuck with Android. It doesn't matter what they say about Apple being expensive and boring, things work fine, and the operating system works fine for the everyday user

As does Android. Have you used Android recently (within the last 10 years)? Based on your comments I’d say no.

 

[Reggaenald]

uuuu I can do the Fandroid thing in reverse concerning the „Vision Booster“ (which is such, such a stupid name imo):
Hey, Samsung, iPhones had this feature for 5 years. And btw, where did your adaptive aperture go? Did it fall off the edge? Did you go to a Genius Barber to get your haircut? While I’m at it, how many burns do I have to serve to get a Tactical Note?

 

[Reggaenald]

Wi-Fi 6E is already obsolete.

Wi-Fi 7 is the future.

With Wi-Fi 7 near, consumers expected to bypass Wi-Fi 6E

Issues impacting Wi-Fi 6E products will continue until the end of this year.

arstechnica.com

If 7 is the future, the present certainly ain’t obsolete…

 

[ian87w]

uuuu I can do the Fandroid thing in reverse concerning the „Vision Booster“ (which is such, such a stupid name imo):
Hey, Samsung, iPhones had this feature for 5 years. And btw, where did your adaptive aperture go? Did it fall off the edge? Did you go to a Genius Barber to get your haircut? While I’m at it, how many burns do I have to serve to get a Tactical Note?

This is next gen LTPO OLED panel. Expect Apple to “inherit” the vision booster tech in the next iPhone since, yeah, Apple uses Samsung’s OLED panels anyway.

Until Apple can make their own OLED panel, Apple will always be “behind” the company that makes that exact component.

 

[ian87w]

Wi-Fi 6E is already obsolete.

Wi-Fi 7 is the future.

With Wi-Fi 7 near, consumers expected to bypass Wi-Fi 6E

Issues impacting Wi-Fi 6E products will continue until the end of this year.

arstechnica.com

Doesn’t matter when most WiFi routers on the real world are still 802.11n at best.

 

[Lozza013]

Can't wait to pre-order for when I get home from work.

 

[TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️]

Can't wait to pre-order for when I get home from work.

Were you able to place an order?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1491440446304063488

 

[Smearbrick]

That seems true. But I think that’s partially because the garbage quality of ‘Android tablets’ really helps sales, because they’re appear to be considerably cheaper under the iPad.

Garbage quality? Have you used some of the bargain Android tablets coming from Amazon? They are solid, purpose built devices. They serve the people that purchase them quite well. If they didn’t, do you really think people would continue upgrade to the newest models? They are a great value, especially during Prime Day sales.

 

[Lozza013]

Were you able to place an order?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1491440446304063488

Not yet. It's still work hours for me. I shouldn't have much issue pre-ordering.

 

[PC_tech]

Think it’s a plastic back btw

only thing I liked was the OLED on the tablet, enough of this mini LED crap and trying to avoid paying out for OLED all the time ffs.

also, how many f@#king times do they want to shove the word INNOVATING/INNOVATION/INNOVATIVE/INNOVATES down our throats, it was cringe And pathetic.

I also expect the iPhone 14 pro lens to look like the ultras lens, not flush but not a massive bump anymore.

It’s glass and tell us you didn’t watch the video without telling us…..

 

[Zdigital2015]

?‍♂️ I don’t think so. But it would be cool if Apple released a 14” iPad Pro ?‍♂️

11”, 12.9”, 14.8” if we are counting in 1.9” increments to be OCD about it. I would love a larger iPad, but Apple has to quit screwing around and unleash iPadOS in a few key areas to make it worth the size and expense.

 

[ian87w]

$800 to $1200 phone I just want a phone that's wider than my current Pixel 4A. I'll check later on this year for discounts on the Pixel 6/Pro.


There seems to be an impression that Android tablets are dead. I don't think so. They definitely pale in comparison to iPads, but they're still getting solid solid sales. I'd say "they're the iPod Touches of Samsung", but they're still more prominent than that. FWIW, I still use my iPod Touch 5 as a glorified flashlight and calculator

There are increasing demand for Android tablets thanks to the pandemic. OEMs like Xiaomi, Realme, and even Nokia are jumping into the bandwagon, again. It’s up to Google to pay attention to tablets again. Hopefully Android 12L brings better large screen support/features. The problem with Android tablets are not the hardware, but the software.

 

[Aoligei]

At this point you could put 100GB RAM in a Samsung phone with a 2500MP camera, and you'd be dead in the water because you are stuck with Android. It doesn't matter what they say about Apple being expensive and boring, things work fine, and the operating system works fine for the everyday user

I am using Pixel 2XL which released 2017 with 4GB RAM runs very good. I can say with confidence, it runs as smooth as same year iPhone X, if not more. I get more all crash on iPhone X than Pixel 2X.

 

[Aoligei]

And that is a significant testament to the iPhones, is the consistency and longevity of older iPhones that still receive support with iOS (Using the iPhone 8 for example). But, the hardware typically doesn’t have issues, other than the battery might need to be replaced.

The downside to really any android phone, is the value plummets horribly compared to the iPhone. It’s not to say that it’s not a good phone, it’s just something I think consumers are generally shocked by compared to an iPhone, and that’s also partially due to popularity.

In the poosite, I am glad that I can get 128GB Pixel 3XL for 150 dollars, it is depends on perspective. Resale value means nothing to me because I never sell my phone anyway.

If I want to experience some other phones, low resale value is perfect for me.