Four Takeaways From Samsung's Galaxy S22 Event for Apple Users

[DeepIn2U]

The competition is a good thing. I think they knocked it off the park. Not going to lie, these are some massive improvements.

Yes agreed its' a great thing - competition. Especially when you get a friend whom just got the Fold 3 on contract to return it and get an S22 = reduced revenue and profits for samsung and for them to stop wasting R&D on fold when rollable is much better overall.

 

[GuruZac]

Samsung did one good thing here: they put the front facing camera on one of the landscape sides.

Yeah that is nice. Clearly they are reading the market correctly. Apple should have moved the camera on the M1 iPad Pro, opened the software up, but it’s clear they want you using both the iPad and Mac. Samsung Tab S8 could quite literally completely replace a desktop PC.

 

[Breaking Good]

The fact that Samsung needs to promise Android updates for a certain number of years is still beyond ridiculous. They don't make the operating system and thus should have nothing to do with this. If they didn't insist on shipping their own fudged version of Android, people could just upgrade their Android version whenever they please and the world would be a better place.

Unfortunately, Android does not work the same way as iOS (or Windows O/S) when it comes to updates. Updating an Android phone is very much a collaborative effort between the chipset maker, the handset maker and the carrier. All three need to be in agreement before the Android O/S can be updated.

The good news is that Google is trying to change that with their Google Fuchsia operating system. Samsung is very much supporting this new operating system.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Is that all Samsung announced, the S22/S22+/S22 Ultra?! Some where thinking Apple's March 3rd event was not needed, and funny enough, this doesn't look like it should be needed.

 

[Killbynumbers]

Guess I'll keep using my Note 10+ for another year. Battery still lasts all day after 2.5 years and it still does everything I need.

I'll also keep using my XS Max for another year, battery still lasts all day. Maybe next year Apple and Samsung will do something worth upgrading to.

 

[bookofxero]

And the WiFi 6 that is in the iPhone 13 is slow. It's pathetic that the best tech company doesn't have the best tech.

It is? I have not read into it because my experience has been fine. My Orbi routers make me miss my old Asus router, though...

 

[bookofxero]

with how apple has held back iPadOS from being more like macOS to maintain the difference both feature and even performace wise I dont see anything close to something like Dex, hell even there Phones can do dex with a bluetooth cable and exterior display wireless or wired

Serious question: does anyone actually use Dex? I will not say where, but I worked at a company where Dex was... synergistic... and the hype died very quickly. I actually forgot it was even still a thing until just now.

 

[bookofxero]

Sad but true. The lack of tablet-specific apps is why I won't consider a Surface or Tab.

I heard that Alphabet was waking up from its tablet slumber. We shall see.

 

[Killbynumbers]

Wi-Fi 6E is a very nice addition and a big miss from Apple for the iPhone 13 lineup (and latest MBP).

I have gigabit internet service through Comcast and I have no Apple products that can currently benefit from those speeds. My M1 MBA and MBP barely get 400Mbps and my iPhone SX Max is about the same. My S10+ and Note 10+ show that's using WiFi 6 but see the same speeds.

 

[bookofxero]

Think it’s a plastic back btw

only thing I liked was the OLED on the tablet, enough of this mini LED crap and trying to avoid paying out for OLED all the time ffs.

also, how many f@#king times do they want to shove the word INNOVATING/INNOVATION/INNOVATIVE/INNOVATES down our throats, it was cringe And pathetic.

I also expect the iPhone 14 pro lens to look like the ultras lens, not flush but not a massive bump anymore.

Lots of people throw shade at Samsung over the notch, but I remember lots of Apple users talking crap about the bulging cameras on Android phones until Apple followed suit with these monstrosities.

 

[GuruZac]

Is that all Samsung announced, the S22/S22+/S22 Ultra?! Some where thinking Apple's March 3rd event was not needed, and funny enough, this doesn't look like it should be needed.

And the Tablets as well. The irony is since the Tab S7, they are actually really nice tablets. Not saying they are iPad Pro level performance, but they have really nice build quality, display, the S-Pen is great, and Samsung has tweaked the software to make it very desktop friendly.

I am a massive Apple fan of course, but I am even more of a tech fan, and when this chapter of my life where I’m a medical student passes very soon, I’ll be the guy that carries the latest iPhone Pro model and Samsung, just because I really enjoy using tech. A strong Samsung is good for Apple and us, it keeps the innovation moving forward.

 

[bookofxero]

I have gigabit internet service through Comcast and I have no Apple products that can currently benefit from those speeds. My M1 MBA and MBP barely get 400Mbps and my iPhone SX Max is about the same. My S10+ and Note 10+ show that's using WiFi 6 but see the same speeds.

You either have a lot of interference or a not great router. My Orbi setup feels sluggish to me, but speed tests on my Apple equipment on the same network always outperform my other hardware, often getting almost identical results to the router's on-device speed tests.

 

[now i see it]

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[Killbynumbers]

You either have a lot of interference or a not great router. My Orbi setup feels sluggish to me, but speed tests on my Apple equipment on the same network always outperform my other hardware, often getting almost identical results to the router's on-device speed tests.

It's the latest router that Comcast has. I got it in December so it's new service. Only my 4th generation iPad Pro shows the correct speeds, 700Mbps. Everything else shows slower speeds.

 

[BuffaloTF]

So notch isn't that bad Samsung?!View attachment 1956594

It’s 2022 now though.

 

[GuruZac]

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I have a 6+ year old iPad Pro running like a boss. The truth is most people around me are using iPhones 3-5 years old. They all benefit from the long service life and features that come with several years of software support.

 

[Apple Mac Daz]

I have gigabit internet service through Comcast and I have no Apple products that can currently benefit from those speeds. My M1 MBA and MBP barely get 400Mbps and my iPhone SX Max is about the same. My S10+ and Note 10+ show that's using WiFi 6 but see the same speeds.

Something isn’t right there even my 12 Pro Max can hit 450mbps easily

 

[Smearbrick]

14" tablet. Lol, why stop there?

Funny. Rumor has it Apple may be considering going larger than 12.9 inches. But that would be a genius move if Apple did it, right?

 

[44267547]

The problem with most Apple users on this site, if they don’t know how to remain open minded when it comes to seeing the likes of what Samsung doing some great things. As a devoted Apple user myself, the S22 is a pretty stout phone loaded with some outstanding technology, even though it’s a little bit large for my liking.

My only critique for Samsung, is in the wearable department. It’s like they don’t market they’re smart watch enough, but still; I don’t think it can compare to the Apple Watch in terms of sheer dominance.

 

[Smearbrick]

I have a 6+ year old iPad Pro running like a boss. The truth is most people around me are using iPhones 3-5 years old. They all benefit from the long service life and features that come with several years of software support.

Meanwhile, I can show you dozens of people in my circle using Samsung phones that are also 3-5 years old.

 

[Smearbrick]

The problem with most Apple users on this site, if they don’t know how to remain open minded when it comes to seeing the likes of what Samsung doing some great things. As a devoted Apple user myself, the S22 is a pretty stout phone loaded with some outstanding technology, even though it’s a little bit large for my liking.

My only critique for Samsung, is in the wearable department. It’s like they don’t market they’re smart watch enough, but still; I don’t think it can compare to the Apple Watch in terms of sheer dominance.

Some Apple users on this site can’t see beyond their own needs. They can’t imagine a world where one could need something *gasp* outside of the Apple ecosystem. They would cut off their noses to spite their faces. This is not how tech-minded people should behave. Competition and innovation moves technology forward - not stagnation. Someone has to make the big leaps. At times Apple does it, and other times a competitor does it. It doesn’t make one’s contributions any less important than another’s.

 

[Smearbrick]

Of course they are.....they are hypocrites and they dont like to own it when its official

It’s called marketing. Move on.

 

[name99]

Zero takeaways from this Apple user. ?

Oh, there are takeaways, but mainly on the missing side. Obvious examples I see include

- no equivalent of magsafe (and, more generically, Apple's use of strong magnets to make iPads nice, from the basic magnetically-attached iPad case, to the magnetically attached keyboard)

- no equivalent of the U1 and the location/finding infrastructure being built upon it (AirTags and suchlike)

- the same incompetence and flailing as Apple in the home space. Even though Samsung (unlike Apple) makes a whole bunch of IoT devices, they're doing nothing to push the space forward.

- likewise do Samsung have a smart speaker? Actually a quick search shows they do, but they have never pushed them and they're very hard to find. And they seem to be incapable of using them as IoT hubs.
But deeper than that, at the technical level, they have said all the right things about Thread and Matter -- but don't seem to ship anything.

- no attempt to create an AppleTV-like streaming box. (Sure, maybe their theory is build it purely into the TV, but we all know how dumb that is, given that the screen stays useful and usable for 10+ years, while the content/smartness electronics are showing their age after about four years)

Basically the event confirms (IMHO) what everyone has been saying about SS for years, that
- there is zero innovation there. The only time anything new happens is after they've had a few years to copy Apple.
- there is zero co-ordination between the different groups. And so you get dead-end products like smart TVs (rather than streaming boxes to add to a TV), or missing obvious interactions (like use a smart Speaker to act as your IoT hub).

 

[chucker23n1]

the display includes a notch

So, when their marketing mocks Apple for having a notch, are they completely unaware that their own product development is about to add a notch? Or do they know and just not care?

 

[name99]

The problem with most Apple users on this site, if they don’t know how to remain open minded when it comes to seeing the likes of what Samsung doing some great things. As a devoted Apple user myself, the S22 is a pretty stout phone loaded with some outstanding technology, even though it’s a little bit large for my liking.

My only critique for Samsung, is in the wearable department. It’s like they don’t market they’re smart watch enough, but still; I don’t think it can compare to the Apple Watch in terms of sheer dominance.

It depends how much you look beyond "smart phone ala 2018" to "smart phone ala 2022" and even more so "smart ecosystem".
Look at my above post for my analysis of what SS is lacking. (And I say this as someone who feels Apple is too fat and lazy in a number of places, and who would welcome serious competition, especially in the IoT/home space).

Even at the basic level of "what should be in a phone" I think the lack of a U1-equivalent is a problem. AirTags and the functionality enabled is, I suspect, going to be a slow burner like many Apple things (aTV, CarPlay, even Apple Watch and AirPods to some extent) -- there will be early adopters who find use cases right away, but for most of us it will be something that gradually slips into our lives over five years or so, but considered irrelevant and unimportant for the first two or three years, until we wake up and realize just how much we depend on it.

There are even things that I suspect may well be on the A15 SoC (but not publicized yet) that are part of Apple laying groundwork for the future. For example there may well be an h.266 decoder on the A15, so that in a year or two, when Apple say they are switching to VVC/h.266 as their new standard video codec, already more than half the installed base will be ready. (They did the same sort of thing with h.265)
Whereas I can't see SS (or any part of the Android ecosystem) ever having that sort of foresight.