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Fourth-Generation iPod Touch Offers Only 256 MB of RAM

WeegieMac said:
Steve said the iPod touch is referred to as the iPhone without a contract.

Stop being so stupid as to think that saying "it's an iPhone without a contract" automatically means you were getting the current iPhone specs.

Honestly, the intelligence levels on here at times are morbid.
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Ok so you're admitting he lied. Just wanted to clear that up.
 
IIRC Steve clearly joked about it. Apple isn't officially selling iPod Touch as an "an iPhone without a contract". It's just a saying. I can't find any comparison of iPods to iPhones on Apple's website so I don't think it's their official statement.
 
fxtech said:
Ok so you're admitting he lied. Just wanted to clear that up.
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The iPod touch has been called the "iPhone without the phone" by people since the First Gen.

I notice you've tried this argument on others earlier in the thread.

I don't suffer fools. Go away.

I have an iPhone 4, if you can't get one for whatever reason and can't and were relying on iPod touch, then that's your problem. If you do have an iPhone 4, then why argue?

Jobs didn't "lie". Only idiots would take the iPod touch being referred to as the iPhone without a contract to mean ALL current iPhone specs were coming to the touch.

The current touch has some features in excess of the iPhone 3GS, including retina display, A4 chip, front camera, and FaceTime.

Jobs didn't say the iPod touch is an iPhone 4 without a contract.

Now go try that jilted iPod touch buyer argument on someone else. I expect some "Cool Aid" comment or other. Don't waste your time, I won't read it.
 
Why are people using the word 'entitlement'; what is wrong with the words 'hoped for'? As for the comments about Apple selling a crippled product to make people want to buy an iPhone, I would think some of Apple's shareholders, along with Apple's fans which it would appear most of us are, would have been happier had Apple pitched the iPod Touch's camera against the Flip and Kodak, a huge HD market there for the taking. I had hoped for a much better camera and will hold off until Apple, or even a rival that makes predictably crappy looking plastic products, bring out a multifunction device with the said.

I am not convinced people will shell out the extra for an iPhone for the functionality and quality that they crave but, meantime, within its constrained but vast niche, the new iPod Touch is of course a great product... that could have sold vastly more units with the addition of a few cheap components.
 
At the end of the day, the new iPod touch is a huge step up from it's predecessor.

Higher resolution screen, HD video recording, photographs, iMovie, FaceTime.

And yet people are bitching and moaning because it's not on the level of the iPhone 4? And even more amusingly, some people took the "iPhone without a contract" comment to imply full iPhone 4 specs? Can't make it up on here at times.

The new iPod touch has features even iPhone 3GS users don't have, but people still aren't happy.
 
To say "you didn't pay as much as I for my great iPhone 4" is stupid. I do have an iPhone 4, it's actually my first one. And the first thing I thought about this - great, so a lot of Apps won't take advantage of the 512MB and I, as an owner of an iPhone, will suffer from this too.

iPod and iPhone had been en par regarding a few HW specs. Now same amount of RAM doesn't belong to this specs anymore. That's a bad thing for iPod Fans as well as for iPhone Fans. Especially games might NOT get beyond that 256MB barrier now. So no high res textures etc. for all. Dev's hate to create two versions of the same thing because of things like this. They'll choose the least common denominator.
 
syronth said:
To say "you didn't pay as much as I for my great iPhone 4" is stupid. I do have an iPhone 4, it's actually my first one. And the first thing I thought about this - great, so a lot of Apps won't take advantage of the 512MB and I, as an owner of an iPhone, will suffer from this too.

iPod and iPhone had been en par regarding a few HW specs. Now same amount of RAM doesn't belong to this specs anymore. That's a bad thing for iPod Fans as well as for iPhone Fans. Especially games might NOT get beyond that 256MB barrier now. So no high res textures etc. for all. Dev's hate to create two versions of the same thing because of things like this. They'll choose the least common denominator.
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Nonsense. Absolutely nonsense. It's not necessarily anything to do with ONE specific app. Multitasking runs so much better on the iPhone 4 than on the new touch. More RAM = win. You can multitask MORE apps! How is that bad? And the Epic Citadel demo uses more then 256MB RAM on the iPhone 4, so if it's available, apps will clearly use it.
 
I'm waiting for mine to ship but come on guys, did you REALLY expect it to outperform the iPhone? It it still more powerful than a 3GS and is practically on par with the iPad. Seeing as this is only an iPod, I'm not crying over this. I'm more upset about the lack of IPS than I am about the RAM. The iPhone, iPad and iMac all have it, the iPod was robbed on that front.
 
I'm a huge Android fan first and foremost. For me $229 is a fair price for what you get. You guys got to remember that the total cost for a 2 year AT&T contract is over a $1000 plus the phone cost. After playing with the touch 4g and iphone 4 back to back at the apple store I can live with the trade off. The touch connected fine with my rooted droid (free wifi tether app :cool:) on verizons excellent network. No AT&T contracts, no verizon contract (droid bought for $125 on craigs) and both can be resold without any major loss.
If you were expecting iphone 4 quality without the phone keep dreaming. Overall cost (for you) is at least 5 times as much on a contract.

And while at the Apple store I could not help but hear that people still wanted the old ipod touch :confused: even after hearing about the new features. Just more proof that people do not care about memory or specs.
 
fxtech said:
Ok so you're admitting he lied. Just wanted to clear that up.
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Um, didn't he say its basically an iPhone without the contract?

Do we have an exact quote anywhere? Or better yet, a clip of that part of the keynote so we can factor in the tone and context used?

You know, that thing we call integrity?
 
clearly people are dumb

do you relize how many much the new hardware apple added to the ipod touch?

Camera on the back
camera on the front
Retina display
A4 chip
bigger battery...

i mean 256mb of ram is plenty for people hell i always have 200-300mb free on my iphone 4.

apple is still a company and they still need to make money off this thing.

iPhones are 600 bucks without a contract.
iPod touches start at 230...
of course your not gonna have specs equal to the iphone 4.
 
clearly people are dumb

do you relize how many much the new hardware apple added to the ipod touch?

Camera on the back
camera on the front
Retina display
A4 chip
bigger battery...
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No, not really, I'm not anyway, but I am thoroughly disappointed that it has less (video) battery life and doesn't have an IPS display. A4 wouldn't be that more expensive than the iPod touches previous CPU, the retina display wouldn't cost as much as the previous display afaik seeing that it isn't IPS, it's got a poor camera on the back but a good video camera, a regular front facing camera, and well, I think the battery is actually smaller.
i mean 256mb of ram is plenty for people hell i always have 200-300mb free on my iphone 4.
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If you normally have 256MB free on your iPhone, that'd mean you'd have 0 free on your iPod touch. If you had 300, that'd mean you'd have ~50, if you had 200, that'd mean you'd be -50... or, needing an additional 50MB which something is paying the price for.
iPhones are 600 bucks without a contract.
iPod touches start at 230...
of course your not gonna have specs equal to the iphone 4.
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No, but the previous generation 3rd gen pretty much did to the 3GS. IPS display is a must imo.
 
I'm happy for Apple to put 256mb of RAM in whatever device they want, as long as they are clear about the affect this will have on the performance of the device. For instance, when the iPad was released, I had an iPhone 3GS. The iPhone ran beautifully, with no page reloading in Safari. Apple released the iPad, with the same amount of RAM, a faster processor, and a slightly newer version of the OS. Any reasonable person would expect the iPad to work just as well as the iPhone 3GS, and Apples marketing gave the impression of a much faster, sleeker device. What they completely neglected to tell customers was that the iPad needed more RAM to operate as well as the 3GS, which caused a backlash against the device for being under specced. If Apple had just been honest with us and told us that the iPad would suffer from the same reloading problems as the iPhone 3G, there'd be no problem, as people would have known before they bought the device whether they were happy to put up with that or not rather than Apple essentially tricking people into buying a device that appears more powerful than it really is. You also don't expect a new device to go backwards in functionality and usability.
 
My brother had a Touch 2G, he bought the Touch 4G ONLY for it's gaming capabilities (as advertised ) and now he feels cheated.
 
Darknight670 said:
My brother had a Touch 2G, he bought the Touch 4G ONLY for it's gaming capabilities (as advertised ) and now he feels cheated.
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He feels cheated because he knows it has 256 megs of RAM? Which games won't he be able to play? Does he think smart game developers will make games that don't work on the majority of iOS devices?

The only difference it's going to make is he'll be able to keep fewer games in RAM when task switching out of them- meaning he might have to wait a few extra seconds if he's swapping between Prince of Persia and Madden 2011... Not really a big deal :)
 
blackcrayon said:
He feels cheated because he knows it has 256 megs of RAM? Which games won't he be able to play? Does he think smart game developers will make games that don't work on the majority of iOS devices?
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True today, but when the next Touch comes out with 512 MiB, the "smart" game developers will consider enhancing the game to use the extra memory - and the 256 MiB generation will either be abandoned or will play the game with reduced features.

It's all part of Apple's planned obsolesence game - make a few extra bucks now, and sell one from the next generation earlier (and send the current models to the toxic waste dump).

IOS devices aren't "future-proof", they are deliberately designed to be "future-resistant".
 
AidenShaw said:
True today, but when the next Touch comes out with 512 MiB, the "smart" game developers will consider enhancing the game to use the extra memory - and the 256 MiB generation will either be abandoned or will play the game with reduced features.
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Or you know, just do what games have done on windows for years and drop the graphics quality.
 
Yep, jobs intentionally gimp products so the mactards will "upgrade" each year. I can't believe ppl defend they guy...but what do you expect from a mactard? :D

AidenShaw said:
True today, but when the next Touch comes out with 512 MiB, the "smart" game developers will consider enhancing the game to use the extra memory - and the 256 MiB generation will either be abandoned or will play the game with reduced features.

It's all part of Apple's planned obsolesence game - make a few extra bucks now, and sell one from the next generation earlier (and send the current models to the toxic waste dump).

IOS devices aren't "future-proof", they are deliberately designed to be "future-resistant".
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