We just need to bring production back to the US period.
India in case you missed it, is supporting Russia at the moment, it’s all a mess right now.
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India in case you missed it, is supporting Russia at the moment, it’s all a mess right now.
You move production to India only to sell in India. Foxconn has production in many countries besides China.
The greeters at Apple stores are demanding $30. ? Certainly easier than flipping burgers.
The world did this to themselves. If there's one thing we should learn from Europe's dependence on Russia for power, is that we should start moving manufacturing out of China.
Production of these devices was never in the US to begin with. There is no bringing it back. If you want to establish it in the US, be prepared to find the workforce or pay significantly more.
Diversify!!
India and also start moving some aspects of production to US and México.
India and also start moving some aspects of production to US and México.
Americans are too used to paying cheaper prices for goods. The dramatic cost increase of US manufacturing, especially in this timeline of inflation, will never fly.
There lies the whole problem, the US manufacturers got used to importing well educated workers and engineers because you can get someone that works twice as hard for half as much money. Ever look at the educational processes in China, Korea, Taiwan, Japan. It’s really a lottery of sorts of being able to get a higher education. People work really hard to survive. In comparison these examples of $15 burger flippers, and $30 Apple store employees illustrates that our American society doesn’t instill determination to work to get to a better life in comparison, instead they are spoiled and not use to hard work and determination like we use to be. Is it the fault of the same manufacturers that moved everything away, heck yes. Yes we used to manufacture in country, but it’s too late.
US Covid deaths in 2 years: 993,000
US flu deaths in worst two consecutive years since 2010: 99,000
Essentially covid has been a bad flu year every month. And this is with the most comprehensive health and safety controls in place since the 1918 flu pandemic…
In addition to the order of magnitude difference in mortality, there are some other significant differences though between flu and covid in how contagious it is and how it spreads (flu by droplets, covid by aerosols). But maybe we should learn from this and start wearing masks during flu season.
So we should base our health and safety protocols on what we did 1000 years ago? We’ve done plenty before. There were mask mandates to help control the 1918 flu pandemic. They were also using bloodletting to control fever back then, so if you want to maintain historical precidents…
I really hope you're joking. I've had covid and its not a ****ing cold. I also a family member to it.
Shame on you. I truly hope you are just a bot. Our family has lost someone to COVID and has another who almost died and has suffered long COVID for two years now.
The Chinese government appears to be much more frightened by Covid than almost every other country. Do they fear the possibility of their communist government possibly collapsing if Covid causes massive instability by killing hundreds of thousands or even a million plus people. Is it something else? If they continue this Covid zero policy, a delayed iPhone 14 may be the least of our concerns.
Aha, good luck to you finding anybody in Texas eager to punch 60 hours per week assembling iPhones for 800$ per month!
Actually the fact that China can lock down cities is because the government can tell everyone what is necessary without questions. No other society is the same, so it’s effectiveness is a test case to the argument of personal freedom versus scientific tactics to get rid of Covid 19 instances.
Yes, and TSMC is in talks to set up a plant in Germany. In both cases, the chips will still be shipped off to China for assembly of the actual product. A semiconductor plant can largely be automated, actual assembly of full products can't. Elon Musk can tell a nice story about it.
At this point it should be clear that relying on China is a major liability. If China invades Taiwan the semiconductor industry is going to be in major trouble. I wonder if Intel is preparing for this with their recent announcement of Intel Foundry Services? It looks like 75% of their semiconductor fabrication in in the US - not that it would be easy or immediate for Intel to pick up the slack...
Are there any other major fab operations outside of China or Taiwan?
en.wikipedia.org
Are there any other major fab operations outside of China or Taiwan?
List of Intel manufacturing sites - Wikipedia
At this point, (12 years of iPhones) the only one who absolutely needs a new iPhone to be made is Apple (and it’s suppliers). Everyone else (end user customers) can wait it out a year or two or three or longer without buying a new iPhone.
So resisting a narrative predicated upon endless conflicts of interest, bunk data, and ulterior motives makes one a bot yet being a compliant perpetuator somehow doesn’t? Very interesting…. 🤔
What does that even mean? There have been over 6 million deaths and last year COVID was #3 cause of death in US.
He’s HOPING you’re a bot. He didn’t say you are one, (I believe that’s against forum rules). It’s otherwise horrifying to contemplate a fellow human being who is so dismissive of loss and suffering.
It’s fine to question protocols, vaccines, conflicting data and news narratives. I’m actually not opposed to that and said so on a different post that got moderated out.
But real people here are saying we’ve lost people. We’ve seen good people suffer with this virus. You put a laughing face emoji on my post about the loss and suffering I personally have experienced and seen.
Is that really representative of the person you truly are? Or are you a decent person who is just overwhelmed and frustrated and weary like the rest of us and you are just lashing out?
I respect people who question everything. It’s not good to just blindly follow orders or any one particular narrative. I applaud discernment.
I don’t, however, respect a complete lack of empathy for one’s fellow human beings. And I’m not even an especially good person. I am completely ordinary. And it’s pretty ordinary and normal to have at least some empathy for loss and suffering.
It’s a shame, but as reported here on MR before, Apple has struggled with their attempts to make a go of production in India.
I’ve got some dear friends from India who have actually gone back to live there and while they love so much about their country, they acknowledge the political scene there is very volatile and corruption is entrenched.
The culture is very different from China’s and it’s just a different paradigm that will take time to work with. I’m not sure Apple is going to go big into production in India as it may prove more costly or complicated for them. I think they’re going to focus on meeting mandates set by India for local production, but I don’t know if they are going to try to scale it up to massive levels, given the difficulties they’ve reportedly faced in India so far.
I’d pay a 20 percent premium for my devices made in with the US or México. Although the premium would like be substantially less for the latter.
I’m sorry to come off so insensitive. And while I fully appreciate and value your open-mindedness the great irony that is so often lost in these conversations is the insurmountable long-term damage that has been and is done through lockdowns, destruction of small business, the unprecedented widening of the wealth divide, insufficient vetting of new medical technologies, co-opting of big tech and social media, and hindrance of healthy childhood development.
That—along with the obviously voracious governmental appetite for power and newly-established framework of tyrannical control—seems far more severely pressing and repercussive than any pain, suffering, or loss inflicted by the disease itself since it affects pretty much the whole 99% and not just the most vulnerable, at-risk portions.