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lol. I never wore a mask, never got a vaccine and got covid and it was literally less than my seasonal allergies. If covid affects you that much, maybe you should have thought of your health years or even decades earlier. ?
You must have a strong immune system. Some people are just easier targets for viruses, even if they use precautions. Could come down to genes. What is your diet like?
 
I’d pay a 20 percent premium for my devices made in with the US or México. Although the premium would like be substantially less for the latter.
I'd pay a premium if the device was made in Canada, but I wouldn't pay 20%. Furthermore, I would not be inclined to pay a significant premium if it was made in the US of A, since I don't live there and I'm not from there either.

Therein lies the problem. Almost nobody wants to pay a 20% premium, and even if some are willing to pay a premium, most are not going to want to pay that to have it made in another country just because it's not China. I suspect people in the UK would think like I do. They might pay a premium if the device was made in the UK, but not if it was made in the US. Same goes for EU countries, like France. The world is bigger than the US.
 
I’m sorry to come off so insensitive. And while I fully appreciate and value your open-mindedness the great irony that is so often lost in these conversations is the insurmountable long-term damage that has been and is done through lockdowns, destruction of small business, the unprecedented widening of the wealth divide, insufficient vetting of new medical technologies, co-opting of big tech and social media, and hindrance of healthy childhood development.

That—along with the obviously voracious governmental appetite for power and newly-established framework of tyrannical control—seems far more severely pressing and repercussive than any pain, suffering, or loss inflicted by the disease itself since it affects pretty much the whole 99% and not just the most vulnerable, at-risk portions.
See, THIS is the post that has the reasoning and logic behind it I was hoping to hear expressed, in particular for what’s going on in China as it is right on topic.

I accept your apology and appreciate that you accepted my post in the spirit in which it was intended, and my intention was to take us beyond quips and insults and into productive contemplation of this huge mess we are all in.

We are indeed seeing the most extreme scenario playing out in China right now. However, they don’t have a very good vaccine and I’m not sure they have all the treatments the US in particular has. I think that is partly playing into their draconian response. But rounding people up and putting them in quarantine centers or locking them inside their homes without adequate food and supplies hardly seems like a response that will help them effectively contain the virus and not derail their economy. It’s really hard to fathom from the outside, the reasoning behind what we are seeing of their approach.

I do think here in the west, we similarly derail ourselves from the optimal approach by entrenching ourselves in extreme positions of denial. It is counter productive to our interests to pretend this virus is like a mere cold or flu and that no precautions at all need to be taken. People need to also consider that that even people with mild symptoms are developing “long haul” symptoms. If we ignore that and have people continue to take Covid too lightly and expose themselves unnecessarily, that could have horrible effects on individuals and the economy as more people become disabled by chronic fatigue, brain fog and other serious symptoms that some people are developing after mild cases.

On the other end of the spectrum it is counterproductive to our interests to force businesses into extended shutdowns and schools into prolonged distanced learning models and not expect the disastrous effects on our economy and our students that we are indeed seeing.

We need a balanced, measured and nuanced approach to pandemic recovery and economic recovery. And that’s so difficult to achieve when we are so polarized against each other. So at the very least, on an individual level, I hope we can each do better to meet constructively.
 
Why is China under lockdown now instead of last year? Were they magically protected from the more deadly Delta variant last year?
I'm far from expert on the Chinese covid response, but my understanding is that China's travel restrictions have been extremely tight since 2020 and have been beginning to loosen recently, Omicron is far more contagious than Delta, and my understanding is that the Chinese vaccines aren't as effective as some in the West (I don't have data on that, just what I hear).

Combine that with a very large and dense population that has mostly been unexposed to the virus before now, a different tolerance to risk than you may have, and a general willingness to impose restrictions other countries may not, and you get lockdowns.



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He’s HOPING you’re a bot. He didn’t say you are one, (I believe that’s against forum rules). It’s otherwise horrifying to contemplate a fellow human being who is so dismissive of loss and suffering.

It’s fine to question protocols, vaccines, conflicting data and news narratives. I’m actually not opposed to that and said so on a different post that got moderated out.

But real people here are saying we’ve lost people. We’ve seen good people suffer with this virus. You put a laughing face emoji on my post about the loss and suffering I personally have experienced and seen.

Is that really representative of the person you truly are? Or are you a decent person who is just overwhelmed and frustrated and weary like the rest of us and you are just lashing out?

I respect people who question everything. It’s not good to just blindly follow orders or any one particular narrative. I applaud discernment.

I don’t, however, respect a complete lack of empathy for one’s fellow human beings. And I’m not even an especially good person. I am completely ordinary. And it’s pretty ordinary and normal to have at least some empathy for loss and suffering.
2 separate issues. No one is laughing at people who have passed. Laughing at people blinding celebrating and endorsing lockdowns and tyrannical control under the guise of public safety? Sure.
 
It may be some combination of automated processes and humans that allow them to move here?
The government subsidizes the oil and military industries why not tech?
Are they going to subsidise the industry for a global product?

As it will also be a £5000 iPhone if manufactured in the US.

Or is this one of those posts that suggests apple should pull out of every country except America?
 
Apple, stop relying on China, please. They’re the reasons they’re costing you a loss of dollars now.

Why can't Apple can focus on India and built the new iPhones there?
50 % of iPhone 13 production is now in India.

Trust it India = THE new billionaire maker over the next 12yrs. Surging economy just now springing to life.

What a great time we’re in yet a tumultuous time we’re in on so many fronts.

Hang in there, an Apple a Day keeps the Android crooked doctor away ;)

Apple always delivers: our generations’ milk-man.
 
This type of news is usually used to scare off retail investors or bring the stock down. As the release day of iPhone 14 come near, I am sure plenty of phone available.
 
This type of news is usually used to scare off retail investors or bring the stock down. As the release day of iPhone 14 come near, I am sure plenty of phone available.
And keep in mind this was a plan to preempt further shutdowns. The Chinese government also doesn’t want this to drag on any longer — it is not doing their own economy any favors.
 
lol. I never wore a mask, never got a vaccine and got covid and it was literally less than my seasonal allergies. If covid affects you that much, maybe you should have thought of your health years or even decades earlier. ?
Oh wow it’s a shame millions of people died and didn’t listen to you!! You’re the type of guy girls run away from at a bar lol
 
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Apple will pay a hefty price for too relying on one country - China, for its productions.

Lockdowns are just the beginning. China is on a path to total collapse. I'll give a prediction here that no Apple product in the next 5 years will arrive according to the schedule, unless Apple is willing to diversify its production elsewhere.
 
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Covid-19 deaths so far:
USA - 1,020,854
China - 5,092

Those stupid Chinese.

You honestly believe the most densely populated country in the world, with a population of 1.4billion people, has suffered only 5 thousand deaths from a virus against which its vaccination only has a 69% ICU efficacy rate?
 
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2 separate issues. No one is laughing at people who have passed. Laughing at people blinding celebrating and endorsing lockdowns and tyrannical control under the guise of public safety? Sure.
I was addressing most specifically Sorgo’s initial response to one of my posts. (I believe we’ve come to an understanding on that particular matter).
 
So slave labor is good only when it’s in China? Good to know.

Slaves did not get paid at all, that was the whole economic rationale of it. This is not the point, however. In China this 800$/m salary can be acceptable for people, as the cost of living is lower, so it works. This, in turn, allows Apple to sell their gadgets with quite a high profit margin. This is how they break their earnings records. Were Apple to move their production elsewhere, with shorter working hours and higher pay, this would also mean they would need to increase their prices to keep the same profit margins. Besides, the Chinese are hard workers and modern China is, essentially, the whole world’s factory. Just look at the “Made in” tags of the electric gadgetry stuff you own. I bet you will find “Made in China” on most of them. So, yes, capitalism.
 
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Exactly. As covid and other viruses have been ripping around for millenia, nobody did anything before. Ah, how easily the terrified are led.
Not terrified but responsible. I take are of my 82 year old mother and a man with downs
I do not want them to get it. People of all ages are dying from covid so not wearing a mask
or getting the shot is rolling the dice. I just won't roll the dice for other people.
 
Tell that to the good citizens of Hong Kong
You're completely missing the point. We all know the Chinese government has draconian practices and is more than willing to ignore human rights, but that's a different discussion. My point was despite all this, the Chinese government is still both more stable and less corrupt than India's.

To put it another way, many large companies would rather do business in Communist China than in "democratic" India for these reasons, and also because China has much better infrastructure, much better access to supporting industries, much better access to materials, and a much better educated and trained workforce.

So slave labor is good only when it’s in China? Good to know.
Foxconn and companies like that need improvement, but they still pay better than most companies in China, and the pay in China is already better than pretty much all of the South Asian countries (aside from the Maldives).

P.S. One interesting tidbit regarding US workforces. In terms of productivity, US auto workers aren't even the most productive in North America. Canada is #1, US is #2, and Mexico is #3.
 
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So resisting a narrative predicated upon endless conflicts of interest, bunk data, and ulterior motives makes one a bot yet being a compliant perpetuator somehow doesn’t? Very interesting…. 🤔
how is wearing a mask and getting a shot so as not to die being a compliant perpetuator?
 
I'd pay a premium if the device was made in Canada, but I wouldn't pay 20%. Furthermore, I would not be inclined to pay a significant premium if it was made in the US of A, since I don't live there and I'm not from there either.

Therein lies the problem. Almost nobody wants to pay a 20% premium, and even if some are willing to pay a premium, most are not going to want to pay that to have it made in another country just because it's not China. I suspect people in the UK would think like I do. They might pay a premium if the device was made in the UK, but not if it was made in the US. Same goes for EU countries, like France. The world is bigger than the US.
It would require automation and the top brass taking a haircut as far as their bloated
stock options and pay. I would take time to implement but is the world ready to keep
funding China's war machine?
 
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