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Your believe their numbers? Poor you
These numbers are from WHO. More importantly, by all accounts they were able to be essentially Covid free due to their measures for the last two years. Do you have anything to disprove these facts?
 
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You honestly believe the most densely populated country in the world, with a population of 1.4billion people, has suffered only 5 thousand deaths from a virus against which its vaccination only has a 69% ICU efficacy rate?
Indeed this just shows how ineffective US government has been. Countries with similar (to China) measures all fared much better than US. For example New Zealand and Australia. Are they lying too or is it just Chinese?
 
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You honestly believe the most densely populated country in the world, with a population of 1.4billion people, has suffered only 5 thousand deaths from a virus against which its vaccination only has a 69% ICU efficacy rate?
Yep, and wearing masks while in your car alone saves lives..
 
Totally believable numbers(both sides) reported from a communist county. ?
If you don't trust communists, check Australia's Covid death rate. It's order(s) of magnitude lower than that of US. Same is true for New Zealand, Taiwan etc. i.e. countries that took Covid seriously. Low death rate was quite feasible and Chinese showed you their superiority in this case.
 
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If you don't trust communists, check Australia's Covid death rate. It's order(s) of magnitude lower than that of US. Same is true for New Zealand, Taiwan etc. i.e. countries that took Covid seriously. Low death rate was quite feasible and Chinese showed you their superiority in this case.
Probably the best comparison for the USA is Canada since they are both in North America, they share the longest international border in the world, there is a huge amount of travel and trade between the two countries, and they share many cultural similarities. Furthermore, there are lots of robust comparative studies between the medical systems of Canada and the US, with Canada usually indicated to have at least as good but often better documentation than the US for these types of things.


The numbers suggest that the US has really dropped the ball on Covid. This is despite the fact that the US government was initially restricting vaccine exports to Canada, meaning that Canada's vaccine rollout started out slower than the US's due to a lack of vaccines available.

This is the rate of Covid infection, US vs Canada over time:

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This is the Covid death rate per 100000 in each country:

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In other words, per 100000 people, 3X as many people died of Covid in the US as compared to Canada.

A portion of this may be related to the vaccination rate:

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As mentioned, Canada started out much slower due to a lack of availability of vaccine doses, but over time has been able to get much higher vaccination rates, which has persisted despite ample supplies of vaccines in the US.
 
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If you don't trust communists, check Australia's Covid death rate. It's order(s) of magnitude lower than that of US. Same is true for New Zealand, Taiwan etc. i.e. countries that took Covid seriously. Low death rate was quite feasible and Chinese showed you their superiority in this case.
Australia and NZ have some of the lowest population densities in the world. Comparing them to China is a massive false equivalence.

If you honestly think that only 5k people died in a population of 1.4bill then I have a bridge to sell you. It's such a fantastical number that it simply cannot be real.
 
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Australia and NZ have some of the lowest population densities in the world. Comparing them to China is a massive false equivalence.

If you honestly think that only 5k people died in a population of 1.4bill then I have a bridge to sell you. It's such a fantastical number that it simply cannot be real.
Keep your bridge for yourself. You don't have any data that suggests that China's data is incorrect. You are just spitting conspiracy theories. Your idea that population density is the only factor determining Covid death rate is naive at best. Just consider the density (per square mile) and death rates (#deaths per million) for these countries:
Vietnam 777 442
China 386 10
US 93 2995
New Zealand 47 127
Russia 9 2550
Australia 9 274

Covid death rate data
Population density by country

As one can see the correlation between the two parameters is very weak at best. Besides, abstract population density numbers do not really say much about the real density. For example, in Australia, most of the land is uninhabited. The actual population density (in areas where people do live) is much higher. Same goes for Russia. Also, consider the (death rate)/density ratios:
New Zealand: 2.7
China: 0.026
USA: 32.2
Vietnam: 0.569

New Zealand has comparable population density to the US but look at the death rate differences. The difference in the way the countries approached Covid is rather stark which easily explains the stark differences in the death rates. The fact that about half of the US population barely believes that Covid-19 exists and actively resist implementation of any measures to curb covid spread is the reason US did so poorly not the population density or false numbers.
 
^^^ Just about nobody believes Chinese Covid data.

Estimates including from statisticians even in Hong Kong suggest that the Chinese Covid numbers are vastly underreported. Part of it is likely because China had unusually restrictive definitions of what constituted Covid infection and death, esp. early on.

That those Chinese numbers are probably not accurate when compared to other countries shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

That said, just because Chinese numbers are artificially low, doesn't mean US's Covid infection and death rates are to be expected. The US numbers are far too high for such a wealthy country, when compared to many other Western countries with similar demographics but which spend less money on healthcare than the US per capita. Part of the reason for this is that some of the US's own government leaders have heavily politicized Covid for some stupid reason.

BTW, when I first watched the movie Contagion many years ago, I applauded its attempt at accuracy. However, my main beef with the movie is that I didn't think the general public and our leaders would be that stupid in the 21st century. Boy was I ever wrong.

 
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Keep your bridge for yourself. You don't have any data that suggests that China's data is incorrect. You are just spitting conspiracy theories. Your idea that population density is the only factor determining Covid death rate is naive at best. Just consider the density (per square mile) and death rates (#deaths per million) for these countries:
Vietnam 777 442
China 386 10
US 93 2995
New Zealand 47 127
Russia 9 2550
Australia 9 274

Covid death rate data
Population density by country

As one can see the correlation between the two parameters is very weak at best. Besides, abstract population density numbers do not really say much about the real density. For example, in Australia, most of the land is uninhabited. The actual population density (in areas where people do live) is much higher. Same goes for Russia. Also, consider the (death rate)/density ratios:
New Zealand: 2.7
China: 0.026
USA: 32.2
Vietnam: 0.569

New Zealand has comparable population density to the US but look at the death rate differences. The difference in the way the countries approached Covid is rather stark which easily explains the stark differences in the death rates. The fact that about half of the US population barely believes that Covid-19 exists and actively resist implementation of any measures to curb covid spread is the reason US did so poorly not the population density or false numbers.

The poster below you said it better than I could but, buddy, you're believing the stats of a totalitarian fascist state that has absolute control over its civil monitoring agencies.

Come on now...
 
The poster below you said it better than I could but, buddy, you're believing the stats of a totalitarian fascist state that has absolute control over its civil monitoring agencies.

Come on now...
That's a very easy cop out. You are assuming two things:
* China is a fascist state (they are not)
* China is lying - you have no proof of that
US government was caught lying plenty of times too. You are just being a homer here.
 
^^^ Just about nobody believes Chinese Covid data.

Estimates including from statisticians even in Hong Kong suggest that the Chinese Covid numbers are vastly underreported. Part of it is likely because China had unusually restrictive definitions of what constituted Covid infection and death, esp. early on.

That those Chinese numbers are probably not accurate when compared to other countries shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

That said, just because Chinese numbers are artificially low, doesn't mean US's Covid infection and death rates are to be expected. The US numbers are far too high for such a wealthy country, when compared to many other Western countries with similar demographics but which spend less money on healthcare than the US per capita. Part of the reason for this is that some of the US's own government leaders have heavily politicized Covid for some stupid reason.

BTW, when I first watched the movie Contagion many years ago, I applauded its attempt at accuracy. However, my main beef with the movie is that I didn't think the general public and our leaders would be that stupid in the 21st century. Boy was I ever wrong.

And by "nobody" you mean who exactly? BTW, US death increase in the last two years also exceeds that of the reported covid deaths. Perhaps Covid-19 death underreporting is not that uncommon and just has something to do with reporting logistics issues in general. In general though all the people questioning China stats are welcome to post any links to something resembling the facts. I have not really seen anything in western MSMs (as biased as they are) denying Chinese data.
 
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