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IME, Apple pays above average in most sectors. For instance call-centre employees are among the lowest paid in the IT industry here in Ireland, but Apple is one of the highest paying among call centres. It would be nice if this trickled down to those in the Apple supply chain too.
 
Just a matter of time until the Chinese workers will become too expensive.

Then I guess we have exploit the African population. :eek:

Only $290 a month? What is the cost of living over there anyways? They couldn't even afford an iPad that they're making :(

Good. Maybe this will help push Apple to diversify beyond China. Having so many eggs in one basket is never a good idea.

Agreed. I think that the length and gravity of our recent/current economic conditions, in addition to those in Europe, in addition to the rise of China and India, will lead to not only more diversification, but also a return of "Made in America" products and manufacturing. That, in addition to...

It's more of a case that as technology advances (advanced robotics), we won't need humans to be doing this stuff at all.

...these advanced robotics. I think in 10-15 years, there will be more "Made in the USA" products than there are today. It would make sense for companies like Apple making products stateside as well as in other countries.
 
I have no idea if there is truth to this at all without sources sited:
If they are in fact making $290 a month at 14hrs 6 days a week, they are making 86 cents an hour. hmmm. I certainly hope that is a livable wage over there.
It leaves me wondering what the average income is in that area for that type of work.
No wonder bringing the jobs home to the states isn't feasible.
 
Agreed. I think that the length and gravity of our recent/current economic conditions, in addition to those in Europe, in addition to the rise of China and India, will lead to not only more diversification, but also a return of "Made in America" products and manufacturing. That, in addition to...



...these advanced robotics. I think in 10-15 years, there will be more "Made in the USA" products than there are today. It would make sense for companies like Apple making products stateside as well as in other countries.


not only do most people don't want to work in a factory, they don't want their kids to work in a factory either. in fact most people don't want a factory anywhere near their home due to the environmental problems
 
Agreed. I think that the length and gravity of our recent/current economic conditions, in addition to those in Europe, in addition to the rise of China and India, will lead to not only more diversification, but also a return of "Made in America" products and manufacturing. That, in addition to...



...these advanced robotics. I think in 10-15 years, there will be more "Made in the USA" products than there are today. It would make sense for companies like Apple making products stateside as well as in other countries.

Made in the USA is almost an inevitability for some things, but there are still untapped foreign markets where companies won't have to pay the wages American unions demand.
 
I hope you were working in finance/accounting/banking, where salaries are significantly higher than the Foxconn workers we are discussing here.

Nope, I wasn't getting much over minimum wage and working in a construction zone what was probably more dangerous than the typical assembly line.
 
I had a job where I worked 16 hours a day, 7 days a week -- in the US. A six day schedule would have been amazing!

Good point, fellow business owners who have had to work for years and live like hobos to save up capital and then work 100hrs/wk to keep it running and still not take a salary for years on end before enjoying an intermittent income, can appreciate this. ...but we at least have some element of personal liberty as our reward.

Though, even among the still relatively privileged middle class, nearly everyone I know that had one 40hr/wk job when we started working 20 years ago, now has at least two to get by. Still nothing like Shenzhen, but...

I'm not sure this monetary system & economy is serving us all that well if we have to spend every waking minute working to support it, and it supports us less and less in turn.
 
Just a matter of time until the Chinese workers will become too expensive.

Then I guess we have exploit the African population. :eek:

I've already read articles talking about this. The only thing really holding Africa back is political instability.

It's more of a case that as technology advances (advanced robotics), we won't need humans to be doing this stuff at all.

This is a long way off. The human hand is a complex tool that is not easily replicated mechanically especially in a way that moves as fast. Look at Lego--they are probably one of the most mechanized manufacturers in the world and yet the kits are still partially assembled/sorted by hand.
 
Citation needed.

I had a job where I worked 16 hours a day, 7 days a week -- in the US. A six day schedule would have been amazing!

No doubt. Where can I get that 6 day schedule that allows for sleeping time? Who wants to take care of my house, kids, and invalid wife for a day?

Anyone? Bueller?
 
I have no idea if there is truth to this at all without sources sited:
If they are in fact making $290 a month at 14hrs 6 days a week, they are making 86 cents an hour. hmmm. I certainly hope that is a livable wage over there.

Even at those rates, it is $6.88/hour (approx) in Yuan. I don't believe they work that many hours a day, when I worked for Chinese companies in Shanghai (production companies) they were working 8 to 10 hours a day; but did work 6 days a week. Also, there were mandated hour long rest times during the day so the 8 to 10 hours were more like 7 to 9 hours of work time with an hour rest after lunch.

General rule of thumb is based cost of living and everything else; just convert the Yuan value to US dollars and that is the approximate value of the money. Thus if they are now making $2,200 yuan per month it would be like us making $2,200 US per month (about $26,400 per year). Not a ton, but for those who work these jobs, they are uneducated (most likely never finished middle school) and unskilled.

Additionally, think of this, they live in the company dorms, they eat at the cafeteria and they have company health care. They pay nothing or almost nothing for these services. Thus the $26,400 per year is what they make TAKE HOME (round that down to $25,000 per year that they can SAVE).

Yes, this pay is actually quite decent. Imagine if you could save $25,000 per year, how much would you have to earn to save that? $50,000/year?

Sure that's $25,000 yuan per year savings; and only approximately $3000 USD, but it is the relative cost. To them, this is a good amount of money.

Again, think of the rule of thumb, if cost of living is the same proportion as in the US to the salary, then change the Yuan to Dollars and think of it that way. BUT the cost of living there is a much LESS percentage of their daily live.

Example. The woman I dated who lived in Beijing. Her father made $5000 yuan per month. They lived in a very nice apartment building with two bedrooms, a living room, kitchen, laundry room and a balcony. (I liked it when I was there). They were paying $5 yuan per month rent! Granted this was 20 years ago; and rents have gone up (from my friends who still live there) but they are still not nearly as expensive as they are here.
 
Only $290 a month? What is the cost of living over there anyways? They couldn't even afford an iPad that they're making :(

I thought there wasn't a cost of living for a foxconn worker. I thought they were provided food and shelter on campus. (I am sure it's equal or less than the quality of living of deployed Soldiers)
 
Trust me, $290 US a month is good wage in Chinese factories. They are not high tech jobs, they're simple and repetitive jobs a person without education can do any day. Obviously, other high-tech jobs in China, like engineers and programmers, get paid a more reasonable wage according to the market over there.

Foxconn employees are some of the better paid labor in the Chinese manufacturing arena. Other factories over there fears it when Foxconn build a new factory close to them because it drives up their labor costs as well.
The wage Foxconn give is reasonable for unskilled labor at that part of the world factoring in the cost of living over there.

Hey, maybe what their parents want for their kids (in high poverty parts of China) is to get a job at Foxconn! I hope the people who is living so comfortably in the 1st world countries to stop being a hypocrite. These are the necessary evil and an evolution process of China's economy. And no that I agree with child labor? I remember they have child labor less than 14 in the coal mines in America less than 100 years ago. I think the 16 years old kid in China is doing fine wiping clean iPhone screens in a state of the art and clean, factory.

For those who never took a global economy/management course in college. To put it into perspective, an Indian professor of the that course complained to the class:
Professor: "Getting a haircut in the US is expensive."
Students: "How much did you pay?"
Professor: "I paid $10 US"
Students: "That's cheap, where did you get it? I might visit the place too"
Professor: "Are you kidding, for $5 US, the barber will personally drive a limo to pick you up at the airport if he has to!"
 
it's not all about money

Truthfully, if I were in their position, I would prefer to keep my wage the same or only slightly improved (~3%) but have work hours reduced to a more reasonable 40/wk.
 
Well atleast we see some improvements happening, not bad especially when compared to the previous salary they were getting.
 
Only $290 a month? What is the cost of living over there anyways? They couldn't even afford an iPad that they're making :(

Of course they couldn't. iPads are premium products and these people in the factories came from poverty conditions- There are a lot of people over in the western world who couldn't afford one either. The cost of living would probably be next to nothing anyway, as FoxConn would provide accommodation & food in huge bulk.
 
Only $290 a month? What is the cost of living over there anyways? They couldn't even afford an iPad that they're making :(

Err... so? How many people making a Mercedes Benz can afford one? Or Ferrari? None of the NASA workers could afford a Space Shuttle... Get real, please! The iPad is a luxary item. Besides, a lot of people buy items they cannot afford like houses, cars, etc and then we wonder that there is a financial crisis... And the cost of living drops quickly there because Foxconn offers room&board (did you read the article?) and they see this job as a way to save money for a house, maybe a car, and to start a career at Foxconn or with that reference.

I am not saying the wages are fair or unfair or just. I just try to stay real - for most of the applicants, this is the best paying job available to them in whole China.
 
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lilsoccakid74 said:
I am glad that these poor workers will see a raise, but if Apple or anyone else thinks this solves the issue as a whole, get real.

Anyone who feels different, your point is invalid unless you personally have worked in those conditions.

So.... You have invalidated your own point?
 
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troop231 said:
Only $290 a month? What is the cost of living over there anyways? They couldn't even afford an iPad that they're making :(

Are you really that ignorant about world living/ wages? Id say $290 a month in the middle of china is prob better than most. Did you see the line outside the recruiting office when they were hiring last time?
 
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Anyway why is Apple getting all the ****. Foxxcon makes products for ALL the major tech companies but every1 is focusing on apple and they are the only company sending in inspectors. Id rather work there than in a Nike factory.
 
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