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Foxconn Employee Reportedly Commits Suicide Over Lost iPhone Prototype

Detektiv-Pinky said:
Could you let me in on your reasoning?
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It is not Apple's fault for this guy taking his own life. Apple is very secretive? Yes. The guy might have misplaced the phone, but was that any reason to jump out of a window? This at most was probably an honor thing for the guy and the worst thing that would have happend was that he would have to find a new job.

He did not have to kill himself and it certainly was in no way Apple's fault. I have seen some idiotic posts on here, but yours takes top prize.

Congratulations Pinky!!!!!! Keep posting!
 
theheadguy said:
If you aren't willing to marry the products, there isn't a lot of reason to keep you there or put up with the ridiculous secrecy standards.
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Does having impure thoughts about my MacBook Air count? What about rubbing my iPhone's screen in a sensuous manner?
 
Antares said:
I agree. Weak minded and selfish.
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...and another one of these clueless, self-righteous hard-asses.

You are aware that there are mental conditions that can lead to suicide? Conditions that can overcome even the toughest guy on the block.

In this case, it sure has to to with cultural implications that you obviously don't or don't want to understand.
 
gamac said:
(begin sarcasm) Like honor killings, or stoning someone to death for adultery, etc... (/end sarcasm)

No matter what the culture, some things are just wrong, so how about getting off your high horse.

NOTE: I personally think that everyone should have the right to take their own life. It is your life, the government does not own you (although most think they do). Terminal illness, extreme life-long pain, anquish over the death of a child, etc. are examples of why people might want to take their lives. However, if a person is dianosed as mentally ill they should be consoled and treated for the mental illness. I do not consider everyone who commits suicide to be mentally ill.
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Au contraire, I'm not the one on my high horse. The sanctimonious moron who condemned all suicides regardless, is your guy.
 
Is that where we are, suicide over the lost of a prototype?
Geez, this World is sick...

I know Chinese peoples are probably more obsessed with work but still... I feel bad
 
I'm very surprised how quickly everyone turns of Foxxconn.. Wasn't it a few months ago everyone was glad Foxxconn appeared to be a good place to work for based on the pictures that showed up on an iPhone in Austrailia of a girl holding up the peace sign? Every companies has non-disclosureclauses whether implicit or explicit. China is not the only country where this typeof "rough" behavior occurs. In corporate culture the more secrets you have the tougherthe penalty. Unfortunately this person chose to deal with the pressure in the wrong way. If I had lost documents that had highly confidential work in them, I already know I might as well expect to get fired. Culturally, being fired or discraced is not an option. There are plenty of instances os suicides in the US when someone loses their job. Apple should make a statement providing their condolences, nothing more, since Foxxconn has already taken action.
 
Veinticinco said:
Does having impure thoughts about my MacBook Air count? What about rubbing my iPhone's screen in a sensuous manner?
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There's an app for that....
 

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This upsets me. I hope there is a large publc out cry over this.

This is an example of apples world famous "secrecy" gone awfully wrong. Clearly apple has put some serious threats againist it's suppliers and that has lead to some serious tension in these companies.

I have lost all respect for foxconn as a company.

Rest in peace factory worker.
 
Battlefield Fan said:
This is an example of apples world famous "secrecy" gone awfully wrong. Clearly apple has put some serious threats againist it's suppliers and that has lead to some serious tension in these companies.
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YAWN, YAWN, YAWN!!!! Do you honestly think that Apple is the only company that has such agreements? If you do, I KNOW you are wrong.
 
haoqfu said:
guys, this is quite a big news in China, and it is all over the place on major new sites. personally i don't think apple should be blamed for this. similar tragedies happen everywhere in China, and they just do not caught the public's attention or even not reported.

if china want truly to be respected and act as a leader, they need to resolve their human rights issues first. this tragedy is just a miniature of the big social environment. and btw, i'm chinese.
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Finally someone points out the real situation.
Western people here relate this event to honor or Chinese culture, but in reality, the guy committed suicide just because of his fear of consequences. There is nothing to do with honor.
The old Chinese culture is long gone in China; you can only find it in Japan or Korea.
You hear news about the ex Korean president committed suicide just because he was initially called Mr. Clean but eventually got involved in the allegations of bribery of his family and relatives.
You won't see anything like this in modern China.
You guys just don't understand how workers are treated and how much a life is worth in China.
 
About all the "suicide is weak comments"...

I can't believe someone would actually sink that low to say something like that. I am a Christian and though I don't condone suicide I still feel sympathy for what has happened. To make a comment such as someone who commits suicide being weak or selfish is extrememly rude and inconsiderate.

After a loved one dies of a heart attack does someone you don't even know walk up to you and say "must have been all that McDonald's... what a glutton!" or "geez his heart must of been waiting for that to happen!"

Get out of your own perfect world and realize that crap happens. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean you should take a jab at a subject like this.

Jesus never went up to the prostitue and say "what your doing is icky, you should stop, you are a weak and disvalued person"

This is sad that this has happend. It has nothing to do with Apple.
 
ssteve said:
It is not Apple's fault for this guy taking his own life. Apple is very secretive? Yes. The guy might have misplaced the phone, but was that any reason to jump out of a window? This at most was probably an honor thing for the guy and the worst thing that would have happend was that he would have to find a new job.

He did not have to kill himself and it certainly was in no way Apple's fault. I have seen some idiotic posts on here, but yours takes top prize.

Congratulations Pinky!!!!!! Keep posting!
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...very fluttered by your compliments...:p

After reading a lot of posts I tend to agree, that we will never know what happened and should probably stop commenting.
However, if you really think the worst that this guy would have experienced is loss of his current job you are not very well informed about certain business practices.
Since unreleased prototypes typically constitute very high damages (for any company, but Apple in particular) he very probably had some liabilities written in his contract that went far beyond simple termination of his current paycheck. Go think about it...
 
Not the first time Foxconn has been accused of such abusive treatment. I doubt Apple does anything though, it is after all profitable to do business with these companies rather than a domestic counterpart.
 
Battlefield Fan said:
This upsets me. I hope there is a large publc out cry over this.

This is an example of apples world famous "secrecy" gone awfully wrong. Clearly apple has put some serious threats againist it's suppliers and that has lead to some serious tension in these companies.

I have lost all respect for foxconn as a company.

Rest in peace factory worker.
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Again, what is *clear* from this story? A man lost his life.

People use the term "clearly" in order to skip over all the inconveniences and get right to their favorite axe to grind. "Oh jeez, a dude killed himself? Well that proves I was right, Steve Jobs has cloven hooves"...

Clearly.
 
icanhazapple said:
Tangential involvement? Based on the contracts Apple writes with its suppliers, what type of 'elasticity' do you think they have with respect to trade secrets and confidentiality? Based on Apple's documented obsession with secrecy, I don't believe it would be a stretch to suggest that it places extremely stressful demands on the vendor as well as its workers.

In the end, our argument on a internet message board is inconsequential to the facts at hand - a man committed suicide because of a phone prototype. A phone prototype. This is absurd.
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Yes, tangential involvement. This guy didn't work for apple - he worked for a 3rd party that produces some products for apple.

You can ASSUME, based on apple's reputation for secrecy, that they put pressure on vendors to maintain that secrecy. You can also ASSUME that foxconn took that too far and instructed its security guys to act improperly. You can further ASSUME that's what led to this suicide.

But all of those are ASSUMPTIONS. You don't KNOW any of this, and neither does anyone here. Maybe this guy's wife left him the day before, and when he lost the prototype, it was all too much for him. Maybe he was ordered to jump out a window at gunpoint by Foxconn goons while Steve Jobs watched and laughed from a video screen. Or maybe we have absolutely no idea what happened so we shouldn't start assigning blame based on a string of unsupported assumptions.

Yes, a man committed suicide. We don't even know whether it was over a phone prototype, but even accepting that it was, that in and of itself is just a sad reality. It says nothing about what role, if any, apple or any other entity played here.
 
Over a damn phone. What is this world coming to.

And those of you making jokes about this...what sick fu*** you are. Really. Go get a PC and hang with those idiots.
 
Veinticinco said:
Au contraire, I'm not the one on my high horse. The sanctimonious moron who condemned all suicides regardless, is your guy.
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Then you might want to re-phrase this:

Originally Posted by Veinticinco View Post
But that's why they're termed cultural differences - if it's not your culture, your opinion and judgment on whether they're right or wrong is irrelevant. Not to mention ignorant.
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Sounds like you are saying that no matter what is acceptable in someone's culture, it is OK because it is their culture. Thus, no one outside someone's culture can express their "opinion and judgment on whether they're right or wrong". I listed a few (of many) in my previous post (honor killings, etc.) that I believe are examples that humanity anywhere on the planet may judge as wrong.

I agree, the original poster was on his high-horse. However, I believe that your quoted statement above may not have won you any points.
 
unfortunately he was probably murdered. money is king and him losing the phone cost someone $$$$$$$
 
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