France Clears Bill That Could Force Apple to Unlock iPhones

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    French lawmakers yesterday backed a plan to impose penalties on companies like Apple that deny access to encrypted data during a terrorist investigation.

    Under the proposals, a technology company with operations in France would be hit with a EUR350,000 ($386,000) fine and its executives could be jailed up to five years if it refused to comply with a request to aid investigators in accessing encrypted data. Additionally, every person who refuses to share information relating to an investigation could be sentenced to two years in jail and fined EUR15,000.

    According to Bloomberg Business, the bill amendment that would give legal weight to the power was submitted by opposition party The Republicans, as part of an overhaul of legal procedures in the wake of last year's terrorist attacks that killed 130 people in Paris.

    France's lower chamber of parliament cleared the bill on first reading by 474 votes to 32. It will be subsequently reviewed by the Senate once it clears the lower house in the coming months.

    "The rule aims to force phone makers to give investigators data and it will be up to the manufacturer to use whatever technique is necessary," Republican lawmaker Philippe Goujon, who proposed the amendment, told Bloomberg. "The target is to have them cooperate. The aim is not to break the encryption - the principle is that manufacturers should cooperate."

    Apple is currently fighting a U.S. court order compelling the company to help the FBI unlock the iPhone owned by deceased terror suspect Syed Farook, one of the shooters in the December 2015 attacks in San Bernardino, California. The FBI asked Apple to create a version of iOS that would both disable passcode security features and allow passcodes to be entered electronically, allowing it to then brute force the passcode on the device.

    Apple has officially opposed the order, arguing that the FBI is seeking a "dangerous power" that would undermine the security and privacy interests of hundreds of millions of people. In addition, the company argues that the All Writs Act, which the FBI is using in the case, does not give the government a pass to "conscript and commandeer" the company and sets a precedent that could lead to more insidious demands in the future.

    Apple's opposition to the order will face off against the government in court on March 22.

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    Now we know one reason Apple has accumulated that huge pile of cash: for lawyers to fight this crap.
     
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    The French didn't surrender for the first time in their history.
     
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    I guess France knows their security procedures can't be hacked? I think they are no better than anywhere else where leaks appear.
     
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    Unfortunately France turned almost into a totalitarian state after the last terrorist attack. Civil rights from each of it's inhabitants are been washed away all in name of the so called "security". It's a very sad development to see unfold in more and more EU countries, especially in the USA.
     
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    You have a good imagination
     
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    I believe Apple already cooperate in this manner via iCloud backup access.
     
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    Non, les idiots.
     
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    Is it me or the governments/parliaments not understanding ? Apple say they can access/decrypt on device. Let for a moment assume that's correct: what should Apple do ? Inventing data ? Then I can understand fine/jail time.
    Plus to what we know as much as Apple can they help, what more.
    Stubborn politicians... But we elected them mostly ... :mad:
     
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    So much for liberté, égalité, fraternité, France. What a sad and pathetic development we've seen. Unbelievable how fear can be used to strip away the most basic human rights.
     
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    France ... 'nough said.

    First they take the sheeples guns away that they can't protect themselves and then they take the peoples rights away, so Big Brother can watch them...
     
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    Isn't that a job for a jury/judge in western countries ?
     
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    In most EU countries judges are appointed by the government.
     
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    Sacre Bleu. Mon Dieu.

    Our privacy be damned. George Orwell was wrong on the date, but totalitarianism is the new thing throughout the world. To think that first the US, then France, and who know who is next, will destroy civil liberty.

    The Apocalypse can't be too far behind.
     
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    The issue is that the mathematics behind encryption prevent a grey solution.
     
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    I keep my iPhone where no Frenchman would ever find it: with the soap.
     
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    The wording of this law is very important. I'm not sure of the author was paraphrasing, but Apple will already "aid investigators in accessing encrypted data". "Aid" does not necessarily mean providing data. You can Aid somebody, and still be unsuccessful.
     
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    France is taking no guff from an American computer company. Bravo. From the country that brought you the guillotine. They mean business.
     
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    France living up to their cowardly reputation.

    Wouldn't be surprised to see Apple just stop selling their devices in France.
     

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