a simple battery change out would work as well and keep the device running at the speed it was purchased at. It baffles me how people don't realize the deception that has occurred with slowing down processors because of battery life and not providing notification to the consumer. They provided pop ups about 32 bit apps going away, they very well should have and could have provided one saying " Your device is not performing as well as it could be, Battery changeout is recommended"
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French Consumer Fraud Group Investigating Apple for 'Alleged Deception' and 'Planned Obsolescence'
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a simple battery change out would work as well and keep the device running at the speed it was purchased at. It baffles me how people don't realize the deception that has occurred with slowing down processors because of battery life and not providing notification to the consumer. They provided pop ups about 32 bit apps going away, they very well should have and could have provided one saying " Your device is not performing as well as it could be, Battery changeout is recommended"
The level of technological ignorance in society is definitely apparent. And apple will loose these court cases. Because the jury will be filled with technologically ignorant people with a technology ignorant judge at the helm. They don't know their ******* from their elbow when it comes to how a smart phone operates or what batteries are made of.
It is pretty annoying that you can buy a brand new Android phone with an outdated OS on it. But we're not talking about Android here.
Geekbench 4. Dont blow BS that it isn't accurate. Apple uses it to check their devices.
"Our testing with public benchmarks has shown that the changes in the December 2017 updates resulted in no measurable reduction in the performance of macOS and iOS as measured by the GeekBench 4 benchmark, or in common Web browsing benchmarks such as Speedometer, JetStream, and ARES-6."
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208394
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They do this on Macs when the battery is bad. There's no reason they can't do it on their phones.
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I'm sorry, but have you been following any of this?
I agree that companies need to be more transparent. But I also agree that user education is definitely in need. Users need to know how their devices work. Too often things are a simple misunderstanding.
That isn't the issue at all. Customers were simply left in the dark about this. You can't know something if you have no way of finding out about it.
If one isn't singled out, then no one will ever be held responsible. You can't class action against entire industries, I believe. They may not be the only one, but that doesn't mean they get a pass.
But Android manufacturers don't hide what OS their device is shipped with. It's at the back of the box.
It's not a secret that the updates depend on the OEM or the operator.
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This isn't about technological ignorance. I think it's safe to say most of us on this forum are power users. None of knew of Apple's throttling. They hid it. We understand the reasoning behind it. But the fact Apple hid it is what makes it shady.
Folks have gone to the genius bar complaining about their laggy devices and have been told to upgrade instead of replacing the battery. That's deception.
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I’m just curious, if Apple went ahead and went the Android route where it’s the norm to say “your one/two year old phone will not see the newest update”, wouldn’t there be a massive backlash against that too?
It’s really no different here. You’re asking a phone with a 2/3 year old processor to run the latest and greatest Version of iOS with zero complications.
I get that there should have been more transparency over the battery issue, but enough is enough. A consumer cannot reasonably expect a device that is a number of years old to run a new OS (windows, macOS, Android, or iOS) without some sort of slowdown.
And yet the forums and this thread are littered with “planned obsolescence”. No, I’m sorry, you can’t have it both ways. Technology just doesn’t allow for it. No amount of optimization will make it run like it did when it was new when what you’re attempting to run on it was designed for something much more powerful.
Shame on Apple for not being transparent, but shame on some of the users who expect something for nothing as well.
It’s really no different here. You’re asking a phone with a 2/3 year old processor to run the latest and greatest Version of iOS with zero complications.
I get that there should have been more transparency over the battery issue, but enough is enough. A consumer cannot reasonably expect a device that is a number of years old to run a new OS (windows, macOS, Android, or iOS) without some sort of slowdown.
And yet the forums and this thread are littered with “planned obsolescence”. No, I’m sorry, you can’t have it both ways. Technology just doesn’t allow for it. No amount of optimization will make it run like it did when it was new when what you’re attempting to run on it was designed for something much more powerful.
Shame on Apple for not being transparent, but shame on some of the users who expect something for nothing as well.
Absolutely. So where’s the proof? I want to see test results for various Apps showing a measurable degradation (not Geekbench because it’s useless for quantifying this issue).
It’s the 6,6+,6s,6s+ and the 7 possibly the 7+ everywhere I’ve read. Not the iPhone 5 or 5s.
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Personally I am loving every minute of it, in hopes of in the future Apple doesn’t try to pull on over on the avarage customer. It’s not about the older phones running newer software it’s about throttling that phone when the battery is degraded and at the time refusing to replace the battery if it passed Apple’s tests. When my wife goes to get her hair cut after a month the hairdresser doesn’t say “I’m not cutting it because it doesn’t look like it needs cut” it’s foolish of a customer comes in and wants to pay full price for a battery replacement LET THEM! Instead they (Apple) refuse forcing the “avarage user” to upgrade not knowing any better.
Ahhh, someone who doesn’t understand the issue. Let’s see actual App performance, not Geekbench.
Edit: What does your link to Meltdown and Spectre have to do with battery related throttling?
in all reality should any of these iOS latest versions be taxing to any phone from past 3 years that has 2 gig or more of RAM?
Seems like you're the one showcasing your lack of understanding of the issue to everyone in the forum.
It's planned obsolescence because it FORCES you to buy a new laptop... ACTUALLY SCREW IT. I'm not responding to you, if you really need to ask such a ridiculous question you're either trolling or incredibly uninformed.
It has to do with Apple agreeing that Geekbench can measure performance and be used to compare. Sorry you lost your argument.
What apps do you develop so I can avoid those?
Where’s the proof? Can you show me some evidence? What are your conclusions based on?
*should they* I don’t know, I’m a web dev, not an iOS dev, but on the flip side, a 2 year old machine running illustrator CC might run it fantastically, but that same machine running CC 2018 won’t run as well. The same goes for any platform. Will it run? Yes, will it run as efficiently as it has in the past? Probably not.
Granted, illustrator is probably a bad example as it hasn’t changed much over the years, but I think you get my point.
your posts, that is where I am getting my conclusion.