From Steve Jobs' Biography: "I'm going to destroy Android"

[76ShovelHead]

Sure, Google might have borrowed some of Apple's idea, but the overall result was a net gain for all of us.

Competition is good. It breeds more innovation. When your competitor includes a new feature that people love, you're spurred to add it too. Look at the new iOS 5 notification panel. That's basically borrowed near-wholesale from Android!

If Android did not exist, we'd probably still be stuck with those horribly useless modal notification dialogs.

Apple has done wonderful things for the mobile device industry, but so has Google. If competition didn't exist, we'd probably be at least a couple years behind. What motive does a company have to improve their products when they have nearly 100% of the market?

For example, take a look at Microsoft in the early 00s and the way Windows XP stagnated.

THANK YOU.

I am so sick of coming on here and seeing all the nasty, hateful comments to each other. Then when someone level-headed and down to earth has something to reason with every one bands together to vote him/her down and proceed to sit on their high-horses and keep on with their holier-than-thou mentality.

Sickening behavior...

Anywho, I've used both. I like them both. iOS is snappier/faster and is loaded with Apps. Android has apps better than BlackBerry, but is still lacking and slower compared to iOS. And yes, we Android users have that dreadful battery usage problem. HOWEVER, Android offers better customization with its Live Wallpapers (Couldn't live without em') and lets not forget Widgets!

As of now, I believe iOS is better due to the iCloud integration. It was a pain to setup my @Me.com address with my android, and Google Calender is a MESS esp. compared to iCloud calender. But I still love my Android as its the most I can afford, and best I can get with MetroPCS.

Now carry on, be hateful as you will.

Have a super awesome day!

 

[prowlmedia]

Wow, what a jerk. Jobs truly is evil.

Wow what a jerk. Jeff truly is evil.

 

[Jerome Morrow]

Destroy destory destroy destroy destroy destroy...

 

[antonis]

I am really tired of this site and this forum, but I just have to ask you people: Are you effin' kidding me? How can people be so brainwashed and devout to a _BRAND_, a _COMPANY_. It's like most of you are members in some sort of sect where the leaders can't be wrong.

Get REAL. It's a TELEPHONE... If Apple was bankrupt tomorrow your life would continue. Focus your energy on something else, like your OWN life, rather than living for a business that really doesn't give a rats ass about your life other than wanting your money.



And yes, let the downvoting begin...

Yeah, well...you know what ? You wouldn't think the same if you were one of the designers and saw your hard-made ideas copied by someone else who would say "Hey look ! I made a better one right here". It's not about supporting a company, or a CEO whatsoever, it's about stealing instead of thinking. What would android be if there was no iOS ?

 

[CrackedButter]

...Apple stole from Xerox...

Read up on history, Apple bought what Xerox was developing and even hired some of their engineers AFTER being invited to Xerox in a meeting set up by Jeff Raskin.

 

[D4F]

My conclusion?

Dumb is becoming a simple understatement.

Macrumors apple fanboys in most cases are quarterbrainers.

Lol I've seen a lot but never such a concentration of grown ups that appear to have less than 5 years old.

buahahaha!

Best post ever!

 

[Harrybarracuda]

Back in December 2007, Google still thought that copying Palm and BlackBerry was a good business model.

I'll say it again - the first commercial Android phone did not get released until 2008.

So you're talking out of your ass.

More to the point Google didn't make a phone until the Nexus in 2009:

So you can keep on spouting this rubbish, but unfortunately, it's still rubbish.

 

[Heilage]

Yeah, well...you know what ? You wouldn't think the same if you were one of the designers and saw your hard-made ideas copied by someone else who would say "Hey look ! I made a better one right here". It's not about supporting a company, or a CEO whatsoever, it's about stealing instead of thinking. What would android be if there was no iOS ?

An icon doesn't qualify as an idea in itself, neither is a damn App Store.

Christ, the fanboys have really come out of the woodworks here.


Also, please stop referring to the acquisition of the Xerox GUI + Mouse as "stealing". Apple paid money to Xerox for it, they (Xerox) said "we don't want it, you can have it". That's not stealing.

 

[SiPat]

wow -153 rating for a well-though and logical post... talk about fanboyism in here...

It IS true, if iphone had flash it would sell even more.
My brother wanted a smartphone, and he was between iphone and samsung galaxy.
In the end he got the galaxy S2, which is even better than the iphone 4s (better cpu better ram, bigger screen, super amoled screen!). OH and it does play flash, has better camera (both megapixels and 1080p, while iphone 4 had 720) AND is half the price.
I start wondering is iOS over Android (OS VS OS) worth 300$?

The iPhone VS that kind of android phones only wins in 1 aspect: OS. But is it really worth that much...?

And every review of the Galaxy and the Nexus I have read says that despite the hardware, the phones are sluggish and slow to respond to gestures.

The screen resolution on the Galaxy is also lower than that of the iPhone4 according to Samsung's owns PR material comparing the two phones.

 

[makingdots]

Darn, got spoiled. I need to stop visiting macrumors until I finish the book next week.

 

[ranReloaded]

But he didn't steal it. He bought it. He offered compensation before he profited from it. He didn't take the ideas, make a competing product behind your back while still having access to the idea flow, and hope you didn't notice. And when you did notice and get angry about it offer to "settle" your dispute.

this.

On top of that, Xerox wasn't going to do anything with the tech anyway.

 

[orfeas0]

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As for Android, Google, Samsung and HTC they have blatantly copied iPhone.

Samsung has even used the little white blobs that show what screen you are in on the homepage and placed the buttons on the phone in the exact places they are on the iPhone. I'm shocked that there even needs to be a court case to prove this when it's blatantly obvious to see.

At least HTC came up with the home screen widgets etc that differentiates it slightly. But there menu system is still a copy of iPhone.

Perhaps the most shocking of all is that these companies have got away with stealing multi touch. I thought Apple said they had patented the technology? If so surely no other phone could have a capacitive touch screen with gestures?

Dude, you can't patent everything... It's creating monopolies, which isn't good at all for the community and the customer!
White blobs that show the desktop you're in...? You think that's patentable?
They placed the buttons exactly like the iphone? Where did you want the buttons to go, in the top of the phone? That's not apple's idea, every phone invented has its buttons BELOW the screen, and it's obviously easier in the middle...
Multi-touch? Microsoft had made multi-touch screens way before apple, how 'bout that?
It's not copying when there's only 1 productive way to make a product and everyone does that.
Is it copying when someone makes a laptop with a keyboard and a screen?
Is it copying when people make the touchpad in front of the keyboard? Should they change position to it because they infrige the first touchpad's company's patents?

 

[SockRolid]

An illustrated history of Android copying

If there's anyone left in the forum who still doesn't understand how blatantly and relentlessly and shamelessly Google has copied the leading smartphone designs, here's a picture for you.

 

[orfeas0]

And every review of the Galaxy I have read says that despite the hardware, the phone is sluggish and slow to respond to gestures.

Well, I was talking about the galaxy S2, which is quite faster than the 4 (don't know an exact comparison between s2 and 4s, but i bet the s2 is faster).

 

[ranReloaded]

wow -153 rating for a well-though and logical post... talk about fanboyism in here...

It IS true, if iphone had flash it would sell even more.
My brother wanted a smartphone, and he was between iphone and samsung galaxy.
In the end he got the galaxy S2, which is even better than the iphone 4s (better cpu better ram, bigger screen, super amoled screen!). OH and it does play flash, has better camera (both megapixels and 1080p, while iphone 4 had 720) AND is half the price.
I start wondering is iOS over Android (OS VS OS) worth 300$?

The iPhone VS that kind of android phones only wins in 1 aspect: OS. But is it really worth that much...?

You should both go get android phones; seriously.
The iPhone is definitely not the phone you're looking for.

 

[orfeas0]

If there's anyone left in the forum who still doesn't understand how blatantly and relentlessly and shamelessly Google has copied the leading smartphone designs, here's a picture for you.

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Dude it's called evolution, progression!!! Maybe apple was the first who made multi-touch phones, but since the touchscreen got so much improved (resistive-->capacitive), there was a new phone market created! Sure, apple made the first capacitice touchscreen (I'm guessing...), but that doesn't mean others copied from them. THERE WERE PLENTY OF TOUCHSCREEEN PHONES BEFORE IPHONE, but you don't see anyone claiming apple copied them!

 

[prowlmedia]

I think the original Android was a unfair copy of iOS. It's certainly developed and now does look fairly different.

The Skins that HTC and Samsung use are also a massive copy in some respects.

I don't understand why google did this though. It coudl have easily been completely different. Look as Win 7 Phone. Now I love my iPhone. but the Windows OS is utterly different, beautiful ( something I never thought I'd say of any MS product - other than the dead project Courier ) and combined with phones like this ... they are doing something different and given more support they could be a viable alternative.

I can't see myself swapping to either Android or Win7 Though - I've invested a lot of cash in Apple gear - and it all work seamlessly ATV - airports etc - something I've not seen with the others, let alone the amount of Apps I have etc.

I too was a little disparaged about no iPhone 5 - but you know what I did... bought a white one... Perceived new phone and still way better looking than all the droids etc.

 

[adztaylor]

I'll say it again - the first commercial Android phone did not get released until 2008.

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So you're talking out of your ass.

More to the point Google didn't make a phone until the Nexus in 2009:

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So you can keep on spouting this rubbish, but unfortunately, it's still rubbish.

This was an Android prototype in December 2007:

 

[orfeas0]

You should both go get android phones; seriously.
The iPhone is definitely not the phone you're looking for.

I have a 3gs 2years now, and it's perfect.
The reason I won't buy an android is because I like the iOS. But to be honest, I don't wanna buy another iphone either, because it's too expensive. I'll just wait until this one dies, then I'll see, maybe i'll buy an android, maybe an iphone.

Why isn't the iPhone DEFINITELY not the phone for me?
I'm just saying it's too expensive for what it's offering. If you can afford it, buy it. But many people can't afford an iphone, but they can afford an even better *hardware-wise* android, so they buy that.

 

[SockRolid]

You missed the point

I'll say it again - the first commercial Android phone did not get released until 2008. [...]

The prototype in the photos looks very much like a Palm or BlackBerry, does it not?
It was being tested circa 2007.

The released phones you show look a lot more like iPhones, do they not?
They were released after iPhone. Apple "prior art" as it were.

[...]So you're talking out of your ass.

Now now, there's no need to lose your temper. And foul language can get you banned.
We wouldn't want that now. Would we?

 

[Lershac]

Xerox agreed with you so much they ended up suing Apple about it.

Apparently they didn't think look and feel was protectable until Apple sued Microsoft claiming it was.

And the suit was rightfully dismissed.

Xerox agreed to let jobs in to see the demo, and his expressed intent was to evaluate the ideas that xerox was not implementing or marketing for his companies use, and he negotiated compensation for it with xerox. They got paid for their IP. google just spied and stole and were not above board about it.

Xeroxs suit was sour grapes.

How about if a guest in your home really liked a painting you had created and offered you money to purchase the rights to sell prints of it? Cool right?

How about your buddy just takes a snapshot of your creation and then has prints made and sells them? Gonna be a lil mad at him then huh? What he did was wrong... Not really going to give him free run of your studio any more.

 

[Harrybarracuda]

If there's anyone left in the forum who still doesn't understand how blatantly and relentlessly and shamelessly Google has copied the leading smartphone designs, here's a picture for you.

Pretty pictures, mate, but unfortunately posting pictures of unreleased prototypes from the Open Handset Alliance does not negate the fact that there was no Android phone in the market *before* iPhone, so your claims are still ********.

You need to get over it. Android is a better product for some people on a variety of phones, Apple is better for others with its single product.

Ya pays your money and ya pays your choice.

 

[sicn]

Yeah, well...you know what ? You wouldn't think the same if you were one of the designers and saw your hard-made ideas copied by someone else who would say "Hey look ! I made a better one right here". It's not about supporting a company, or a CEO whatsoever, it's about stealing instead of thinking. What would android be if there was no iOS ?

Oh please....

First of all, is that YOUR problem? Why do YOU care?

Second of all, can you point out any patent that really is genuinely new and is a non obvious inventive step that Android copied? Of course one could argue that Apple got patents for non-innovation and thus they are valid anyway; but then again, the fact that one can patent a funny looking poop nugget as something new and innovative in the US is a completely different story that should be discussed separately.

I could tell you numerous devices and inventions that can be considered prior art to what features and designs used in an iPhone, but I won't go down that road because I regard even some of these "inventions" as not patent-worthy.

And mind you, I am writing this as an engineer working on new products every single day.

 

[needthephone]

Karma? I would be selling google shares if I had them....

 

[SockRolid]

Aha. The classic "voice of reason" troll.

Dude it's called evolution, progression!!! Maybe apple was the first who made multi-touch phones, but since the touchscreen got so much improved (resistive-->capacitive), there was a new phone market created! Sure, apple made the first capacitice touchscreen (I'm guessing...), but that doesn't mean others copied from them. THERE WERE PLENTY OF TOUCHSCREEEN PHONES BEFORE IPHONE, but you don't see anyone claiming apple copied them!

Oh god. First you start down the "voice of reason" path, then you start talking hardware specs.

Man, the Fandroids really are brainwashed, aren't they? Still bringing specs to an experience and design fight.