From Steve Jobs' Biography: "I'm going to destroy Android"

[Harrybarracuda]

I think the original Android was a unfair copy of iOS. It's certainly developed and now does look fairly different.

The Skins that HTC and Samsung use are also a massive copy in some respects.

I don't understand why google did this though. It coudl have easily been completely different. Look as Win 7 Phone. Now I love my iPhone. but the Windows OS is utterly different, beautiful ( something I never thought I'd say of any MS product - other than the dead project Courier ) and combined with phones like this ... they are doing something different and given more support they could be a viable alternative.

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I can't see myself swapping to either Android or Win7 Though - I've invested a lot of cash in Apple gear - and it all work seamlessly ATV - airports etc - something I've not seen with the others, let alone the amount of Apps I have etc.

I too was a little disparaged about no iPhone 5 - but you know what I did... bought a white one... Perceived new phone and still way better looking than all the droids etc.

I use an HTC HD7 as my everyday work phone. For managing multiple email accounts, syncing with Exchange and just browsing, SMS and calls, it is a fantastic product, highly usable.

In fact if I had one complaint about it, it's that my right thumb is going to end up enormous, because just about everything on it is in reach with a click or two.

But for apps, well they are way behind, and I can't see them getting the growth that Android has had in that respect.

Added: Unless Nokia can leverage their customer base and bring in a swathe of new customers and thus a decent market for developers.

 

[iAppleseed]

This is a spoiler.

 

[Oletros]

And every review of the Galaxy and the Nexus I have read says that despite the hardware, the phones are sluggish and slow to respond to gestures.

False, they say that they not match the resposiveness of the iPhone in the UI, not that they're sluggish

 

[Harrybarracuda]

False, they say that they not match the resposiveness of the iPhone in the UI, not that they're sluggish

Plus Android 4.0 is out on them shortly.

 

[Yumunum]

This is why Android fails. That'll be you if you buy a non-Nexus device. Actually, it might be you even if you get a Nexus Device. Using custom ROMs to get updates, fixes, and necessary features.

Been there, done that,... then I got an iPhone 4. And peace reigned over me

 

[Oletros]

Man, the Fandroids really are brainwashed, aren't they?

Pot, kettle

 

[76ShovelHead]

I think Steve Jobs was still bitter about being completely trounced by Microsoft's domination with Windows.

Xerox should have been in the #1 position today. Funny how Microsoft, the last entity on the list of thieves won the major battle.

The reason Microsoft is in the position its in today (being dominant of the PC market) is because Windows was released to third party hardware manufacturers. That and it's far cheaper than an Apple computer. You can score a perfectly running older windows computer for 60 bucks on craigslist, and it will be supported many years down the road (Even though Windows XP has officially made the chopping block, third party developers continue to support, including apple). Not the same with Apple, however. Look at Snow Leopard, its only one release old and already lacks iCloud support. Plus, Windows 8 is said to be even less demanding on hardware than Windows 7!

As for Steve being trounced, maybe at the beginning, but he's made it clear that Apple is not about competing with PC Manufacturers, but rather about creating products that people will love. Products that are Unique, only to their company (hence OS X not being released to PC's). I'd love to see that happen though. But even today Apple states on their website that OS X is what makes a Mac a Mac. Behind OS X, Mac's are just polished PC's.

Functionality, Features, and Unique applications is what Apple sells. And thats why they do so well, even with their small market share. Show me a windows PC with a backup feature as simple and beautiful as Time Machine. That alone is a reason to own a Mac, especially if your a student or teacher. There's nothing else like it!

 

[SockRolid]

Samsung should have hired you

[...] I could tell you numerous devices and inventions that can be considered prior art to what features and designs used in an iPhone, but I won't go down that road because I regard even some of these "inventions" as not patent-worthy. [...]

Samsung's legal team could have used your expert knowledge in Germany. And Australia. And many other places while I type.

Instead, Samsung's lawyers cited the IBM Tele Pad props from "2001: A Space Odyssey" (1968) as "prior art."

I kid you not:
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...tion_as_prior_art_in_us_ipad_patent_case.html

 

[Hattig]

Let's see...

Why don't we start with...

The whole damn OS???

Android is a mixture of Java and custom APIs running on a custom virtual machine on top of a Linux kernel.

iOS is a port of the Mac OS X APIs adapted to mobile use running on (I presume) the Mach/BSD kernel they also use for Mac OS X.

So - that's not the same at all.

The Java APIs are long established as well, so they're not a copy of anything from iOS or Mac OS X.

So immediately we've discounted the Android platform as being anywhere near similar to iOS.

So we are left with the applications. So - the launcher: Since day one the Android launcher has supported widgets, with the application list being a separate feature. Laying out icons in rows on a mobile device is hardly unique - Palm OS did it nearly twenty years ago. So ... again, not really a copy of iOS. Multiple screens - not really a significant concept is it when you think about how to put more things on a small screen than can fit on a single screen!

So where exactly is Android a significant copy of iOS? Multi-touch? But Apple doesn't seem to be attacking that and all the mobile operating systems now utilise it in their own way.

 

[antonis]

An icon doesn't qualify as an idea in itself, neither is a damn App Store.

Christ, the fanboys have really come out of the woodworks here.


Also, please stop referring to the acquisition of the Xerox GUI + Mouse as "stealing". Apple paid money to Xerox for it, they (Xerox) said "we don't want it, you can have it". That's not stealing.

I wasn't referring to Xerox... Who said anything about that ? I was referring to google. They stole the ideas (and no, it's not just the icons... geez) from iOS and then offer a settlement ?
As said earlier, they could have made their own unique OS instead of stealing apple. Microsoft managed to do that, why not google ?

Again, if you were one of the iPhone / iOS designers you wouldn't think the same. Or do you really think that all these similarities between iOS and android are just a coincidence ?

 

[neilg]

It's pretty clear the basically everyone here making blanket remarks about whether he was "good" or "bad" hasn't read much history. You should try it out sometimes. The real great men and women of history are far more interesting than the simplistic caricatures society at large tends to apply to them. Jobs is no exception.

This, I think, true.

 

[76ShovelHead]

my conclusion?

Dumb is becoming a simple understatement.

Macrumors apple fanboys in most cases are quarterbrainers.

Lol i've seen a lot but never such a concentration of grown ups that appear to have less than 5 years old.

Buahahaha!

Best post ever!

omg yes!!! You read my mind (and my post)!

 

[lxchee]

Thats simply not true:

Version 1.0 (February 06, 2007): spb mobile shell

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reminds you of something? This was released 6 months before iphone

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Lg prada released couple of months before iphone

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The market was laready moving in that way, apple and google just did the same. The evr repeated fanboy "we were first" is usualy BS .



Yes that does seem the answer of apple these days, when outsold start the lawsuits.

Nope.. LG Prada was after iPhone.
No phones had the touchscreen UI before iPhone.... if there were, they were using stylus to tab on windows start button.
All these UI screen shot was after iPhone.

 

[orfeas0]

Oh god. First you start down the "voice of reason" path, then you start talking hardware specs.

Man, the Fandroids really are brainwashed, aren't they? Still bringing specs to an experience and design fight.

Where did I talk about specs in that post:

Dude it's called evolution, progression!!! Maybe apple was the first who made multi-touch phones, but since the touchscreen got so much improved (resistive-->capacitive), there was a new phone market created! Sure, apple made the first capacitice touchscreen (I'm guessing...), but that doesn't mean others copied from them. THERE WERE PLENTY OF TOUCHSCREEEN PHONES BEFORE IPHONE, but you don't see anyone claiming apple copied them!

???

 

[Hattig]

This is why Android fails. That'll be you if you buy a non-Nexus device. Actually, it might be you even if you get a Nexus Device. Using custom ROMs to get updates, fixes, and necessary features.

Been there, done that,... then I got an iPhone 4. And peace reigned over me

Oh, and people jailbreaking their iPhones and installing custom ROMs and mods is completely different?

 

[adztaylor]

HAhaha foolish Steve Jobs, nothing can stop Android. He even killed himself trying too, shame.

Well that comment is certainly called for

 

[SockRolid]

Here's Samsung's "Prior Art" evidence against Apple

If Samsung had just copied the IBM Tele Pad from "2001: A Space Odyssey" instead of iPad, they would still be selling Galaxy Tabs in Australia and Germany.

And who knows where else the Galaxy Tab will be banned? The legal precedent ball has barely begun rolling...

 

[Harrybarracuda]

This is why Android fails. That'll be you if you buy a non-Nexus device. Actually, it might be you even if you get a Nexus Device. Using custom ROMs to get updates, fixes, and necessary features.

Been there, done that,... then I got an iPhone 4. And peace reigned over me

That's simply not true. If people choose to add functionality to their Android phone with a Custom ROM, that is their choice, the same as people jailbreaking iPhones.

No-one makes you do it. It's a personal choice (which strangely seems to be a word that's anathema to lots of iPhone users).

It's no different to sticking Linux on an old PC because there's no way it will support the latest MS bloatware.

 

[Oletros]

Nope.. LG Prada was after iPhone.

Nop, LG Prada was presented before the iPhone

 

[Yumunum]

Oh, and people jailbreaking their iPhones and installing custom ROMs and mods is completely different?

It's not as necessary. You don't need to jailbreak to simply get a software update, or get an app to work on your phone, or fix problems you're having.

 

[orfeas0]

It's not as necessary. You don't need to jailbreak to simply get a software update, or get an app to work on your phone, or fix problems you're having.

You need to jailbreak to play flash, and even then it doesn't work that good.
You need to jailbreak to download torrents, and even then it doesn't work that good.

Apple has restrictions, period. Android is open, it's exactly like a pocket PC! A complete computer that can do -almost- everything. IPhone is a smartphone. Close to a computer, but not like an android. And that counts in the tablet fight too. You can't seriously call the iPad a computer when it can't play flash or download anything at will... It doesn't even have a file browser for crying out loud!

 

[SockRolid]

Specs mean nothing. Not with that "Android lag."

Where did I talk about specs in that post:

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Very good! You're paying attention after all.

You didn't talk about specs. But deep in your heart you were dying to.
Just bursting at the seams. Because specs are the only way Fandroids can impress each other.

The problem with specs and Android is this: despite all the dual-core hotness, Android devices all still have that signature "Android lag."
The lag no Fandroid dare mention.

So specs don't really seem to help there at all, now do they?

 

[attila]

He could have killed android if he allowed flash and made a new design instead of the iphone 4s. Not that it isn't a great phone, but it could have beat android in so many ways.

How would a different shell change anything? Android geeks still care more about how many processors and expandable memory slots the phone has.

 

[reefoid]

Very good! You're paying attention after all.

You didn't talk about specs. But deep in your heart you were dying to.
Just bursting at the seams. Because specs are the only way Fandroids can impress each other.

The problem with specs and Android is this: despite all the dual-core hotness, Android devices all still have that signature "Android lag."
The lag no Fandroid dare mention.

So specs don't really seem to help there at all, now do they?

I must be a Fandroid then as I daren't mention the lag on my SGS2, but then that's probably because there isn't any.

 

[attila]

You need to jailbreak to play flash, and even then it doesn't work that good.
You need to jailbreak to download torrents, and even then it doesn't work that good.

Apple has restrictions, period. Android is open, it's exactly like a pocket PC! A complete computer that can do -almost- everything. IPhone is a smartphone. Close to a computer, but not like an android. And that counts in the tablet fight too. You can't seriously call the iPad a computer when it can't play flash or download anything at will... It doesn't even have a file browser for crying out loud!

Downloads torrents on... a PHONE?! Why!? With VLC, you can use your phone to tell your home computer to download your 50GB porn movies.