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Not really. It's not about the competition. Last decade we didn't see this much action because it was the decade of the PC and PC was already established. We are seeing too much action in the last 5 years because we are getting different devices than the PC and that had to wait until the tech was ready to deliver it. And yes, we should be bitching about monopoly, as much as we should be bitching about companies not innovating and copying other companies ideas. That actually stalls true innovation. That's why there are patents, so innovation continues. Without patents everyone just waits for someone to come up with something brilliant, and copy it immediately. That's one guy innovating and 99 copying. The ideal world is where 100 of them innovate independently. Now think how amazing that would be...

Or.. last decade internet is still not that popular. Ppl are still busy with ICQ. Busy dialling up their internet. Less time to fool around in the internet.
 
Jobs isn't saying "I don't want you as a competitor.". He says "stop using our ideas to compete with us."

Not even a good attempt at misrepresentation...

And yet Jobs used other people's ideas - so clearly Apple is in the clear on that one?

The hypocrisy is what is amusing. And the justifications under any costs by members of this forum are also amusing.

Again - there are and weren't and will never be innocents.
 
What exactly did Apple take from Google / Android? The iPhone came out first.

http://betanews.com/2011/06/07/5-things-apple-borrowed-from-android-for-ios-5/

I'm not a fanboy (I have used both OSes). I like Android. Until iOS acquires turn-by-turn navigation that is as heavily integrated into the OS as Google Nav, I don't think I can adopt it.

This article is more about Steve's drive than it is "omg screw android guyz111." Much respect is due to his attitude.
 
What exactly did Apple take from Google / Android? The iPhone came out first.

Did iPhone came out before the phone / mobile phone? If you are going to keep going on this logic, everyone is copying Motorola.

I will say it here for the last time - APPLE COPIED MOTOROLA, PERIOD. WHY COULD NOT THEY INNOVATE AND INVENT THE MOBILE PHONE? THEY ARE RIDING ON INNOVATION BY MOTO.

If you have any points to invalidate my logic, give it a shot.
 
Oh, please.
The fact that android and iPhone are even in the same category is ridiculous. Ask anybody on the street if they would like an iPhone or an android and they would choose iPhone. We all know how android rolls: a new iPhone comes out and they almost steadfastly release a phone (or 5) that claims to do the exact same thing. Apple is the leader and android is the loyal pathetic follower. Nothing new here. Move it along.
 
Or.. last decade internet is still not that popular. Ppl are still busy with ICQ. Busy dialling up their internet. Less time to fool around in the internet.

Well, ok. You gotta count the internet factor of course. The reason so many new devices are popping up now is because of internet, partly.

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Did iPhone came out before the phone / mobile phone? If you are going to keep going on this logic, everyone is copying Motorola.

I will say it here for the last time - APPLE COPIED MOTOROLA, PERIOD. WHY COULD NOT THEY INNOVATE AND INVENT THE MOBILE PHONE? THEY ARE RIDING ON INNOVATION BY MOTO.

If you have any points to invalidate my logic, give it a shot.

No. Motorola copied Graham Bell's phone. Why couldn't they invent the phone to begin with?

Anyway you won't get anywhere with Reductio ad absurdum.

There's a huge difference between phones before iPhone and phones today. And most phones do indeed look like a copy of the iPhone. That's because Apple took a risk and introduced something different. (Not something new, because it wasn't the first mobile phone, but it was a different phone). And that risk paid off, people actually liked it and the industry changed. Nowadays phones look after the iPhone as a model.

Now, put that in your pocket. What exactly was the risk Google took? They looked at what was already selling like crazy, and they made something very similar to it, knowing it'd sell as well. That'd be the analogous of Apple coming up with their first phone as an almost copy of Blackberry, which they could have done, since back then BB was the best selling smartphone and it was "the" smartphone. So anyone copying it would be able to sell their design.

And thank god they didn't do it.

And that's why I'd like every company to come up with "their" different stuff. I don't think Android and iOS are actually helping each other in terms of innovation. They are so inherently similar to each other that each can implement the others cool features really quickly. That makes two almost identical platforms and the choice between them is not at all that distinctive as the choice between an iPhone and a BB back in 2007.

Why does every company seem think that Apple's iPhone was the best that ever could be? Maybe it isn't. Maybe there are some more risks to be taken in the smartphone industry which would produce something superior to iPhone. Why isn't anyone taking those risks? I assume if anything kills iPhone, it'll be something Apple comes up with, again.
 
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I just hope Android..and Windows Phone do thrive and keep moving up. Its better for everyone. I really don't care who stole from who. We all know companies take from each other all the time. I have used Android once. Loved the OS but didn't like the hardware it was on. I'm not a fanboy of either companies. I'm also not gonna sit here and say, I'm staying with iphone forever! That would just be a stupid statement. Once Android improves a bit and gets on some hardware I like, Ill go back to it. Ill even try Windows phone eventually. I get bored very quickly with things and gadgets. And thats where I am now with my iphone, bored. I usually dont have a phone more then a year. I like the iphone but in my opinion there are other great phones out there and there are more coming out everyday. Now I'll just sit and watch my negative count go up......
 
You all should know that Apple in general never denied the fact they "kind-of-borrowed-ideas", but that's what it's all about.

yeah always funny, apple can steal because they improve, all the rest cant steal from apple because changes they make arent improving.

The closed of system of apple is improving? The first year and a half you needed to setup a webserver to copy some books on the iphone, wauw thats progress
 
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I am amazed by the stupidity of some apple fanboys. Steve was a great man but this is utter BS and we all know it. All companies steal from each other, you think Apple didn't steal anything from android? open your eyes and look at ios5. This loyal apple fanboyism amazes me.
 
I think he's suggesting why not release a product with a lower price point, to compete with the Android Fire and the smaller Galaxy Tab?

It would make good business sense.

They do have a product that directly competes with the Fire and the Tab. It's called the iPod Touch.
 
Ok - did anyone go and read the full huffington piece? I did... Here's the full section (it was edited down by MacRumors)

Note: Steve's temper. Notice that Jobs slammed Google's products yet "Jobs had attempted to persuade Google not to develop a mobile operating system to rival Apple's own by promising the company it would have access to the iPhone and prime real estate on the device"

In other words - he was "afraid" of competition. And wanted to kill it before it even begun. If I were Google - I would have taken that as a challenge alone.

In Isaacson's "Steve Jobs," a copy of which was obtained by The Huffington Post, the author recalls that Jobs, who was known for his fierce temper, "became angrier than I had ever seen him" during a conversation about Apple's patent lawsuit, which by extension also accused Android of patent infringement.

"Our lawsuit is saying, 'Google you ****ing ripped off the iPhone, wholesale ripped us off,'" Jobs said, according to Isaacson. "I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product."

Jobs also slammed Google's work, telling Isaacson that "outside of Search, Google's products--Android, Google Docs--are ****." Though Jobs received criticism for his tight control over the iPhone ecosystem, which contrasts sharply with Android's "open" approach, he told Isaacson that Apple's approach stemmed from the company's desire to "make great products, not crap like Android."

Isaacson writes that Jobs had attempted to persuade Google not to develop a mobile operating system to rival Apple's own by promising the company it would have access to the iPhone and prime real estate on the device
 
If there's anyone left in the forum who still doesn't understand how blatantly and relentlessly and shamelessly Google has copied the leading smartphone designs, here's a picture for you.

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I love how biast this is. Wheres the comparison of pre-iPhone? You know, the LG Prada, heck the Palm Pilot.

Drop the stupid, pathetic game. We get it. You think Google ripped off iOS, that doesn't mean we all have to bow down and agree just because you said so.
 
I am amazed by the stupidity of some apple fanboys. Steve was a great man but this is utter BS and we all know it. All companies steal from each other, you think Apple didn't steal anything from android? open your eyes and look at ios5. This loyal apple fanboyism amazes me.

Google by all appearances used their friendly relationship with Apple, including a seat on Apple´s board, to create a wholesale copy of Apple´s new UI paradigm. I´m not surprised that Steve is pissed.

As for fanboyism, those of us who don´t care much for sports also need artifical tribal loyalities in order to get some bonus everyday kicks. I´d say you can´t do much better than Apple in that respect.
 
Lol, he had me at "Thermonuclear war"! Jobs has the best one liners ever, but it's true Android was slated to look like a blackberry until they ripped off the very foundation of the first iPhone.

You can keep saying it, but it still ain't true.

The reason Google acquired Android and pushed it out there was for one reason: To push its applications and search tools out to mobile devices.

Blackberry's forte is, and always has been (until now) it's messaging capabilities.

A picture of a QWERTY Android prototype a Blackberry clone does not make.

Blackberry didn't even pioneer the QWERTY keyboard on mobiles.
 
It's a cheap knock-off of a beautiful product that took no imagination to copy.

Yes, PalmOS and Windows Mobile were imaginative products to copy, weren't they.

Oh, wait...



The moral of the story: Apple didn't invent Smartphones.
 
There's a huge difference between phones before iPhone and phones today.
Yes :

Version 1.0 (February 06, 2007): spb mobile shell

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reminds you of something? This was released 6 months before iphone

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Lg prada released couple of months before iphone

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Oh no there isnt. BEFORE the iphone was released other already had the basic design apple still follows.
 
Google by all appearances used their friendly relationship with Apple, including a seat on Apple´s board, to create a wholesale copy of Apple´s new UI paradigm. I´m not surprised that Steve is pissed.

As for fanboyism, those of us who don´t care much for sports also need artifical tribal loyalities in order to get some bonus everyday kicks. I´d say you can´t do much better than Apple in that respect.

I think Jobs has deep seeded anger issues (understandably) because of what happened with MS and Bill Gates. He invited Google in (just like he invited MS in) and then felt betrayed. But ultimately you can blame either party. Either the one that took advantage of the situation (if that's honestly what happened) or the person who left the door open.

I believe both parties stated that whenever there was a conflict of interest - the board member would not be in attendance. Who knows for sure...
 
What exactly did Apple take from Google / Android? The iPhone came out first.

Notifications
iCloud (Android has been able to sync between devices for a long, long time)
Apps / AppStore (Google announced in early 2008 that Android would support 3rd party Apps, at the same time Steve Jobs said that the iPhone didnt need 3rd party apps. Apple opened up the Appstore 1 month before the G1 went live, knowing full well that the Android Store was sitting there ready to go, and was already accepting app submissions).

Is that enough for you?

How damn hard is it for people to understand...

APPLE STOLE FROM GOOGLE
GOOGLE STOLE FROM APPLE


If you (you being the people who are blindly denying Apple ever stole anything) still cant get that then go....just leave and never return.
 
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