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From Steve Jobs' Biography: "I'm going to destroy Android"
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If Apple had a monopoly Jobs could destroy Google's business on mobile devices with a wave of his hand and I have no doubt he would use that as leverage. The choice wasn't between working together or competing. The choice was between competing or betting that Jobs would play nice once he had the power.
I don't think we win. Why do people think we win this way? I think each company innovating independently and everyone coming up with unique and different stuff like the iPhone would make us win much much more. But I suppose that's never going to happen.
Palm and Blackberry came before both
Android started development in 2003, iOS in 2005. Yes, Android changed after the release of the iPhone, but since that time they've both "copied" features. You just got one of those, the messages pull down in iOS.
What happened to his "Good artists copy great artists steal" Picasso quote?
I don't get why the bulk of the users in this thread are trying to defend Apple. Unless you own the company, having Android and iOS fight eachother is a GREAT thing. Have you used the original iPhone? Would you still want to have that today? If no one threw up some completion for iOS that's what you'd have right now, or something a lot similar to it rather than the great OS that exists today.
We as consumers should love companies doing this to each other. Wanting them to stop this and stifle innovation gives us, as consumers, nothing.
Android started development in 2003, iOS in 2005. Yes, Android changed after the release of the iPhone, but since that time they've both "copied" features. You just got one of those, the messages pull down in iOS.
What happened to his "Good artists copy great artists steal" Picasso quote?
I don't get why the bulk of the users in this thread are trying to defend Apple. Unless you own the company, having Android and iOS fight eachother is a GREAT thing. Have you used the original iPhone? Would you still want to have that today? If no one threw up some completion for iOS that's what you'd have right now, or something a lot similar to it rather than the great OS that exists today.
We as consumers should love companies doing this to each other. Wanting them to stop this and stifle innovation gives us, as consumers, nothing.
Why would Jobs do that? Apple doesn't make money from advertisement. Jobs obviously liked having Google as a partner. They had their damn CEO on their board and they had a great relationship with google and they had completely different revenues.
I think the choice was exactly between competing or working together. But Google obviously thought that they could simply do more money this way and went with it.
I think Jobs would only want to destroy google's mobile services if they actually entered the search market.
All I said was that Google didn't invent and wasn't the first to do syncing through the internet. I know Android had that feature before iOS, just saying you can't really call that a copy of Android seeing as it's been done a lot before and for the same kind of usage.
Find a better analogy. This one doesn't work. It wasn't Apple who started competing with Google. It was the other way round.
Apple most certainly does make money from advertisements. They didn't once upon a time, but then they realized how much money they would make and implemented it.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
And I'm sorry - Apple doesn't make money from advertising? What about iAds? I have to say that tongue in cheek though since iAds is a relative failure...
It wasn't just about money. It was about control. Jobs wanted it. Google decided they didn't want to give it to them.
And now forum posters here are acting as if they, themselves were ripped off by Google.
The money Apple makes from advertisements is so small compared to their actual revenue, we can disregard it. Apple can exist without advertisement. Google can't. Google's almost only revenue is advertisement.
It's a great win for all of us. Tons of cheap manufactured products with a lousy looking operating systems.
Not that Google releases one OS and focus on real details to ensure that it runs perfectly every time on every device. That's the real problem I have with an open source platform. But smart from Google, they suck all the infos out from their customers. Way to control your market.
That's because Microsoft had already beat him. Annnnd before the negative clicks on here, Steve Jobs admitted that himself....
Okay, so which areas where Apple makes money are we allowed to count and which ones don't really count to better suit your argument? Can I get a list?
Lots of money and becoming market leaders in the cpu and operating system industry?
I'm a fan of both Android and iOS for different reasons. And I'm debating grabbing a 4S to try instead of my Galaxy S2 (work gave us Macbooks). But there are a few issues with your post:
1) "Boob shaker+" is no more pointlessly moronic than the dozens and dozens of fart apps that plastered the App Store. Pointless apps exist on every platform.
2) My Galaxy S2 actually has very good battery life despite its large screen and Exynos SoC. I can't speak for the large HTC handsets as I never used them. I found them to be a bit bulky. The S2, while having a large screen, still manages to be very slim, so it doesn't bother me. The Nexus Prime (or Galaxy Nexus, whatever) and its 4.65" screen though? That's probably where I call it quits in terms of smartphone size.
Either way I really want a die shrink on the SoC's already. Apple's most likely running with Cortex A15 for their A6, so at least we'll see a step down to 28/32nm and all the lovely power savings that come with it.
Heh....
I think this sort of response is laughable.
If you invested massive amounts of effort and took the risks (including moving people OFF of your development team for your computer operating system that was the crown jewel of the business) to spend years developing a better smartphone ... You wouldn't see reason to be angry when open source guys suddenly create a phone with the exact same touch-screen concept you'd put all of that effort into?
I'm not saying Apple necessarily has a case to "destroy Android". Quite likely, they don't. Companies steal ideas from each other ALL the time and it's a big legal game to see which ones you get away with and which ones you don't. It has very little to do with "right" vs. "wrong" and more to do with who has the better lawyers and how judges happen to feel about what's presented to them on a particular day.
The fact is though, Google and Apple were partnered up as "buddies" up until Android appeared. Google even had a guy sitting on Apple's board of directors, don't forget. So this is pretty insulting from Apple's point of view, not only because of what was released, but because of WHO released it.
I think this sort of response is laughable.
If you invested massive amounts of effort and took the risks (including moving people OFF of your development team for your computer operating system that was the crown jewel of the business) to spend years developing a better smartphone ... You wouldn't see reason to be angry when open source guys suddenly create a phone with the exact same touch-screen concept you'd put all of that effort into?
I'm not saying Apple necessarily has a case to "destroy Android". Quite likely, they don't. Companies steal ideas from each other ALL the time and it's a big legal game to see which ones you get away with and which ones you don't. It has very little to do with "right" vs. "wrong" and more to do with who has the better lawyers and how judges happen to feel about what's presented to them on a particular day.
The fact is though, Google and Apple were partnered up as "buddies" up until Android appeared. Google even had a guy sitting on Apple's board of directors, don't forget. So this is pretty insulting from Apple's point of view, not only because of what was released, but because of WHO released it.
We win because all the best ideas from every OS is going into each others' OS's. That makes each individual OS as good as it can be. No need to choose an OS because you like a certain feature, even if you think a different OS is better overall. You can look into other factors to chose a smartphone, not just do "feature chasing".
For example, I chose iOS because of its iTunes integration. My thousands of TV shows and movies are based on the iTunes standard, so that is my primary concern about choosing an iPhone 4S. I don't have to look at Android and say "you know, I really love all those unique Android-only features, but I can't leave iOS because of iTunes." If Apple takes the best Android features, like the pull-down notifications, that makes my choice of iPhone even more sensible. That's what I mean by avoiding feature chasing.
Of course it was all about money. Control gives google more advertisement money. Control is control over user data, which equals more advertisement.
And yes, Apple's advertisement revenue is extremely small. They keep it so that the option is there for advertisers. Apple makes money from selling products. Google makes it from advertisement. Simple as that.
And yes I think people were ripped off by Google. I think everyone gets ripped off when innovation stalls. I think every company should put in all their intellectuals at work to create different stuff, and then try them out in the market. That way everyone would get much better products. Or at least that's what I think. Maybe I'm wrong and maybe copying off each other is the best long term strategy for innovation as well, who knows.
Why? Because I think Apple would rather make the money than letting Google have it. Apple bought an ad company, created an ad product, and disallowed third parties collecting user statistics (third party as in Google) - even without a monopoly. If Apple had a monopoly they might have decided to take over the ad business all together or at least demand a sizable cut for letting Google advertise on their products. Google would have no choice but to comply.
Jobs was a brilliant and ruthless businessman. There is no way he wouldn't have used an obvious advantage. Look at iTunes.
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Sorry - do you work at Apple or Google? Do you know the exact timing of when Jobs said to Google their apps were crap? Do you know the exact words Jobs used to "entice" Google to join Apple as a business partner.
Just because Jobs says in a soundbite that Apple didn't go into the search business doesn't mean he didn't start the competition and/or "Ill Feeling" Google might have felt.
I know if someone treated me or implied that I needed them more than they needed me - that wouldn't sit well.
No one here is really capable of stating the true nature of events that took place. So you can say that both my argument and your argument are completely moot anyway.
I think we could win much more than just this if there was more differentiation and risk taking in the market.
Android isn't "junk" but ...
Just like a typical Windows PC that IMO lacks the polish and finish of a Mac running OS X -- so it is with Android vs. the iPhone.
Most Apple die-hards are picky people about the products they use. If everything in the specs is equal between the Apple and the non-Apple product but the Apple one scrolls the icons around more smoothly, we'll pay more for the Apple version, thanks. Some people don't get that and think it's "crazy". Others see it as having the wisdom and taste to demand better.....
Just like a typical Windows PC that IMO lacks the polish and finish of a Mac running OS X -- so it is with Android vs. the iPhone.
Most Apple die-hards are picky people about the products they use. If everything in the specs is equal between the Apple and the non-Apple product but the Apple one scrolls the icons around more smoothly, we'll pay more for the Apple version, thanks. Some people don't get that and think it's "crazy". Others see it as having the wisdom and taste to demand better.....