From Steve Jobs' Biography: "I'm going to destroy Android"

[rmwebs]

Yeah, because Google was the first to do online syncing. /sarcasm

AppStore released July 10, 2008
Marketplace announced couple days before August 28, 2008
I think... I THINK... July comes before August.

If you want to go further, a kind of Android 3rd party store was talked about in May, but the AppStore was announced in March.
Again, March before May.

Refresh my memory, where exactly did I say that Google were the first do online syncing? Tons of people have done it before them. But in the whole 'iOS vs Android' crap, Google got there (or should I say the open handset alliance) first.

On August 28th 2008 Google stated accepting customers and officially confirmed the marketplace. They had already unofficially announced the Marketplace in Jan 2008 (despite what the 'highly reliable' wikipedia may read). Again, prior to this we had already seen "App Stores" on other mobile handsets. If I recall there was one on older Palm devices, granted it wasnt very wel known or successful, but it was there. Same goes for old Windows CE devices.

and as you just said, a 3rd party android store was talked about BEFORE the Apple App Store was even announced...

The only reason Apple even decided to allow apps was because of 'Installer' (now replaced by Cydia) and the threat that Android would be getting a marketplace (official or otherwise). At the same time there was probably whispers surrounding Palm (who in 2007/2008 were actually some form of competition for the iPhone) who would likely have come out with an App Store for their newer devices.

Spin it any way you like. The fact is Apple DID NOT come up with the idea of having an App Store (as proven by federal courts) and certainly never had the idea stolen off them by the Open Handset Alliance / Google.

Next.

 

[k995]

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Keyboard, non-touchscreen, Blackberry-like

So? This was pre release model. God knows how the iphone evolved .

Apple never denied they copy, I wonder why others cant do the same.

 

[iBug2]

Okay. 2 business compete. Each can make $100. Business A relies on Business B. Business B realizes they can force out Business A and increase their revenue to $105. They will do this. Any good business would. That was the point.

I don't think it's that simple. Google wasn't relying on Apple to make money. Google makes money through web. Web isn't controlled by Apple nor is it controlled by anyone. So nobody actually controlled Google at that point.

What Apple was starting to control was mobile web, which of course Google wanted more a control of. So I agree that your argument is partly correct that Google thought they'd make more money if they had total control on mobile OS, but I don't think they were relying on Apple to make money. Not any more than relying on Samsung or HTC today.

 

[macsmurf]

I don't think it's that easy. Apple was using almost all google services in their phones, and for those services was paying google a lot of money to begin with.

I sincerely doubt that. Google want to be on the device as much as possible. Google actually pay browser manufacturers for every search originating from the browser interface.

We need to know the legal stuff to be certain if Apple could take advantage of google that easily. But it doesn't really seem plausible. Apple would be making so much more money if Android did not exist anyway, just due to selling much more iPhones, they wouldn't even care about the extra revenue which would come from ads, which are nothing compared to iPhone sales revenue.

Apple do not care about extra revenue?

Anyway, ask the record companies if it was a good idea to leave the digital distribution market to Steve Jobs. Ask them if they felt at a bit of a disadvantage once iTunes was the biggest music store in the world by far.

 

[k995]

Minor detail? Are you kidding me? The whole interaction with the phone is a "minor detail"?

You are mixing up touch with multi touch.

Lg prada was the first capacitive touch smartphone. released before iphone.

And yes that worked a lot better then the resisitive normally used.

Let all these 3rd party manufacturers start shipping their Android phones with styluses and let's see if they can sell a single product.

why? Again capacative touch was released before iphone.

With your logic that means apple copied it.

 

[glap1922]

Amused how so many here are either P.O.'d, shocked, rattled, or otherwise aghast that Steve Jobs was an aggressive fighter and competitor when it came to business. Clearly lots of wannabe "bidness" people here w/ absolutely no clue what it means to run a company like Apple that lives and dies on its innovations. (See where Palm is today for your answer).

So Jobs wanted to "destroy" Android. BFD. What do you think Android wants to do with iOS? Why do you think Android came into being in the first place - to win a blue ribbon at the Mountain View High School science fair?

I have no problem with Jobs wanting to destroy them, but people saying that google is a cheap ripoff that is slow, buggy, and ugly is completely false. Both phones have advantages, I have owned both and have experienced them first hand. It isn't about the price, I like spending more for quality and the phones cost the same. It is about what I want and need as a user, and right now android is better for that. It doesn't play music as well as I would like, I bought an ipod. It doesn't sync as great with my mac...no big deal because I don't use it for music. The apps are pretty similar across the two, there are only a couple of things that only iOS has.
For the record, WebOS was a great OS, and I am dissapointed it has failed. There was a ton of innovation there, but it didn't work out.

 

[hot spare]

And what's your argument? That this is a bad thing? I think fanboyism is one of the things that makes Apple exist. They pour tons of money to create fanboys, and it works. That much money poured into Jonathan Ive's design team is to keep fanboyism at its peak imho. People has to "love" Apple products to become fanboys. And to love a product it really has to look really cool. And that coolness factor certainly is not cheap. Look at all the product placements Apple does on TV and movies. People's TV icons using Apple products etc.

I think it's actually a nice thing.

I agree. Definitely good thing for apple. In any case, you would never understand what I meant as you are another fanatic from the apple world.

In simple terms, you guys are not human. You are just apple fanatics. You can't be a human and apple fanatic at the same time. You are something else which does not fit the definition of human - maybe something better than human, but definitely not human.

 

[Harrybarracuda]

Oh, please.
The fact that android and iPhone are even in the same category is ridiculous. Ask anybody on the street if they would like an iPhone or an android and they would choose iPhone.

Erm, that's exactly the choice they already have, yet they aren't doing it.

 

[glap1922]

I don't think it's that simple. Google wasn't relying on Apple to make money. Google makes money through web. Web isn't controlled by Apple nor is it controlled by anyone. So nobody actually controlled Google at that point.

What Apple was starting to control was mobile web, which of course Google wanted more a control of. So I agree that your argument is partly correct that Google thought they'd make more money if they had total control on mobile OS, but I don't think they were relying on Apple to make money. Not any more than relying on Samsung or HTC today.

They were relying on apple to make money in the mobile space, which is growing at an incredible rate. Any business that doesn't get on board with mobile seems destined to fail at this point.

 

[Constable Odo]

Steve Jobs wasted his time on trying to kill off Android. You can't beat a good crook and Google is one of the best companies around for stealing and duplicating other companies intellectual property. I'm fairly certain that all the money in the world can't stop Android because it's already been accepted by millions of users who don't care where it came from or what it's based only.

Google has already paid off the courts to look the other way and Google will continue supporting tens of millions of Android devices with newer versions of Android OS. Once you've got most of the world using something it's not going to be easy to take it away from them. The companies that have lawsuits against Android might just as well give up. Only Microsoft was smart enough to receive payment for patents instead of trying to stop the use of Android completely. Apple should probably settle for payment because if they continue the battle to try to stop Android they'll just lose everything. Steve is gone and the passion to crush Android is gone, too.

 

[rmwebs]

Steve Jobs wasted his time on trying to kill off Android. You can't beat a good crook and Google is one of the best companies around for stealing and duplicating other companies intellectual property. I'm fairly certain that all the money in the world can't stop Android because it's already been accepted by millions of users who don't care where it came from or what it's based only.

Google has already paid off the courts to look the other way and Google will continue supporting tens of millions of Android devices with newer versions of Android OS. Once you've got most of the world using something it's not going to be easy to take it away from them. The companies that have lawsuits against Android might just as well give up. Only Microsoft was smart enough to receive payment for patents instead of trying to stop the use of Android completely. Apple should probably settle for payment because if they continue the battle to try to stop Android they'll just lose everything. Steve is gone and the passion to crush Android is gone, too.

Take off that aluminium hat and stop being so silly.

 

[rdrr]

...Apple stole from Xerox...

Xerox didn't know what they had, except for the few engineers that developed it. Xerox let both Apple and Microsoft in the building. Nor did they put up a fight, when Apple and Microsoft came out with copies of their products. Not quite stealing when you basically gave it away, because you lacked the foresight of what you had.

 

[iBug2]

But don't think for a second that Jobs and Apple didn't think iAds would be an incredible revenue stream. You only have to look at they keynote to see how excited they were and all the potential they saw.

I think you're deluded to think that Apple just thought they could make a few extra bucks with iAds. That's not why a company spends millions on a new revenue stream and markets it so heavily.

Define incredible. How much revenue do you think Apple planned to make off iAds? The worldwide mobile ad revenue is 3.3 billion dollars as of 2011, and it was below 1 billion in 2009. (This includes everything. Every ad on every mobile device all around the world and most of this money is "search adds". Google made approximately a billion dollars in 2011 from mobile adds. Considering Apple does not have a search service, the most money Apple could make from iAds would be in 9 figures at most, maybe even 8 figures annually. Of course the last part is speculation on my part. But even google is barely at 10 figures while having monopoly on all mobile search ads. And Apple's revenue from selling iDevices is above 80 billion annually today. So for them, mobile advertising, while still bringing in some cash, wouldn't be a critical market to conquer.

 

[subsonix]

Okay. 2 business compete. Each can make $100. Business A relies on Business B. Business B realizes they can force out Business A and increase their revenue to $105. They will do this. Any good business would. That was the point.

So Google is A and companies buying advertisements collectively are B? Does googles business really rely on Apple? Was adsense a viable alternative income that was used heavily in the appstore?

 

[AtHomeBoy_2000]

"Good artists copy, great artists steal" - Steve Jobs

 

[iBug2]

I agree. Definitely good thing for apple. In any case, you would never understand what I meant as you are another fanatic from the apple world.

In simple terms, you guys are not human. You are just apple fanatics. You can't be a human and apple fanatic at the same time. You are something else which does not fit the definition of human - maybe something better than human, but definitely not human.

Yeah right and If I copulate with an Android fanboy our lovechild would have 11 testicles

 

[glap1922]

So Google is A and companies buying advertisements collectively are B? Does googles business really rely on Apple? Was adsense a viable alternative income that was used heavily in the appstore?

You missed the begining of the quotes. Google is A, Apple is B. The original point was they worked together ont he iphone, and people were claiming apple would have just allowed them to continue making all of the revenue from advertising if google hadn't developed android. My response was that apple would see the potential to increase their revenue, even if it didn't go to a level as high as google, and take that opportunity, leaving google high and dry. The point is, one company relying on another for their mobile revenue is a bad idea, and google knew this.

 

[iBug2]

You are mixing up touch with multi touch.

Lg prada was the first capacitive touch smartphone. released before iphone.

And yes that worked a lot better then the resisitive normally used.


why? Again capacative touch was released before iphone.

With your logic that means apple copied it.

Ok, let them ship all their phones without gestures, where you can't flip to scroll. The way you interact with your phone is not a minor detail in any sense of the word.

Also I'm not mixing up anything. How many multitouch phones were there before the iPhone? Zero. How many are there now? Hard to even count. Apple doesn't need to own multitouch to have caused a paradigm shift.

 

[glap1922]

Yeah right and If I copulate with an Android fanboy our lovechild would have 11 testicles

Actually they would buy a windows mobile phone, breaking both of your hearts.

 

[samcraig]

Define incredible. How much revenue do you think Apple planned to make off iAds? The worldwide mobile ad revenue is 3.3 billion dollars as of 2011. This includes everything. Every ad on every mobile device all around the world and most of this money is "search adds". Google made approximately a billion dollars in 2011 from mobile adds. Considering Apple does not have a search service, the most money Apple could make from iAds would be in 9 figures at most, maybe even 8 figures annually. Of course the last part is speculation on my part. But even google is barely at 10 figures while having monopoly on all mobile search ads. And Apple's revenue from selling iDevices is above 80 billion annually today. So for them, mobile advertising, while still bringing in some cash, wouldn't be a critical market to conquer.

Then why do it? Why invest all the time, energy and effort for "pennies" ? At least two real answers here. 1) they looked to the future and while it might be a 3 billion marketplace now - the future looked to be much greater and it was time to establish their advertising revenue stream and 2) to have complete control over the iOS experience and kick google to the curb.

Apple - at the launch of the iPhone needed Google probably WAY more than Google needed them. As you said - Google was making boatloads of money with advertising. Apple wanted the best search engine on their phone and also mapping. The upside was - create an alliance early to avoid competition later.

Only it didn't work.

 

[araey]

Yeah because Android phones with good battery life are magical. Here is a screenshot I took ten minutes ago.

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So you post a picture of a phone that has a case on it? Yes the case is ugly, but the phone itself is not.

I don't hate the iPhone in any way, but some of you people are really full of crap.

lol dude it doesn't have a case on it. that IS the phone in its unadulterated nakedness....i think it needs to cover up before i vom as well.

 

[linuxcooldude]

They wanted to compete with Google AND they wanted to make as much as Google could via advertising creating yet another revenue stream.

You think iAds was a "hobby" ? LOL

I think iAds was also Apples way of getting third party developers to justify making free apps, besides providing for an additional revenue. I'm doubtful Apples going to out do Google in the advertizing scheme or really wants too.

 

[ThanksSteve]

Loving the passion.

That said, when was the last time a company was actually successful in one of these tech patent cases? It seems like companies steal ideas fairly often in the computer and smartphone businesses without having their products taken off the market or having to pay hefty fines.

 

[Digital Skunk]

That's a long way from "Microsoft doesn't have to lose for Apple to win," his statement that won me over when he first became CEO for the second time.

Agreed, and something that he lost so many years ago. Sadly still, the amount of FUD that's spread on this very forum is just disheartening. Apple obviously took cues from solely Android specific features (and Palm as well) for iOS 5, especially in notifications and backing up over the cloud.

Apple won't destroy Android at all thank goodness. The iPhone does need some good competition.

 

[lfc]

Refresh my memory, where exactly did I say that Google were the first do online syncing? Tons of people have done it before them. But in the whole 'iOS vs Android' crap, Google got there (or should I say the open handset alliance) first.

On August 28th 2008 Google stated accepting customers and officially confirmed the marketplace. They had already unofficially announced the Marketplace in Jan 2008 (despite what the 'highly reliable' wikipedia may read). Again, prior to this we had already seen "App Stores" on other mobile handsets. If I recall there was one on older Palm devices, granted it wasnt very wel known or successful, but it was there. Same goes for old Windows CE devices.

and as you just said, a 3rd party android store was talked about BEFORE the Apple App Store was even announced...

The only reason Apple even decided to allow apps was because of 'Installer' (now replaced by Cydia) and the threat that Android would be getting a marketplace (official or otherwise). At the same time there was probably whispers surrounding Palm (who in 2007/2008 were actually some form of competition for the iPhone) who would likely have come out with an App Store for their newer devices.

Spin it any way you like. The fact is Apple DID NOT come up with the idea of having an App Store (as proven by federal courts) and certainly never had the idea stolen off them by the Open Handset Alliance / Google.

Next.

I know Google did it first, but you were making it out to be that Apple copied them even though it had all been done before. So no, you can't say Apple copied Google here.

Yes I know Apple didn't have an App Store and didn't invent an App Store before anyone else (I never even said that), I think Nokia even had something on Symbian. All I did was point out that Apple again didn't copy the App Store off Google, as you went on to further back that up by stating mobile app stores were out long before 2008. And I'm pretty sure I remember reading that it was an Apple employee who convinced Steve to go ahead with the App Store. What he said, I don't know, no one here does.

And no, I said the 3rd party store was talked about AFTER the App Store was announced.

My point was that Apple did not copy Google, since you made it out to be just that.

P.S. I didn't use Wikipedia.

P.P.S (Is that the right amount of Ps/Ss?) The Federal Courts ruled that the name was too generic, not that Apple didn't invent the idea of the App Store.

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