its funny you go over to the android forums, they think siri is a copy of software android already has.
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its funny you go over to the android forums, they think siri is a copy of software android already has.
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It did ? Funny, this is Android today :
Doesn't look like anything's changed to me really. Are you perchance mistaking Android for something it's not ? Android is a piece of software that is adaptable and can run off many different hardware configurations, be it slider phones, flip phones, "slab" phones (a la iPhone and LG Prada and P900/P800 from SE that date from 2003) or these good old trusty "Blackberry" phones.
Android is not a copy of iPhone. Nor is it a copy of iOS really. If we compare on a purely software basis, Android uses completely different paradigms than iOS in both UI (heavy widget use in the default UI to customize the home screens by the user) and core functionality (reliance on a VM to run compiled bytecode instead of machine code being executed natively, which makes it more portable accross CPU architectures if someone wanted to make a phone out of something other than ARM).
Both projects have their own merits. Android had/has multi-tasking, copy/paste, better notifications and widgets that iOS lacked/still lacks. iOS had the snazzy HW accelerated UI which Android still lacks.
To claim one is better and that the other is a copy and should be destroyed is just closed mindedness. There's plenty of room in the industry for both.
I'm up to page 4 in this thread and already my head is hurting from all the crap I'm reading from people who obviously have such a heavy and tainted bias and again, take the words of Steve Jobs and carry the torch off to some imaginary war.
When will people stop say this. THIS IS NOT TRUE. Apple did not steal from XEROX. MYTH.
Apple licensed this tech from XEROX. FACT.
I'm not interested in the comment you were rebutting, but this one is only arguing semantics and shouldn't be used to support your point.
"most" of the time apple takes things that already exist and makes them (IMO) better. pot/kettle ?
Actually, I think what most people here are P.O.'d against is Android. What leaves me shocked is the amount of posters who instantly latch on to anything Steve says and repeats it as gospel.
Do these people even have a personal opinion outside of what Steve says ? What are they going to do now that he's not here anymore to "lead" ? Are they going to freeze their lives and opinions in 2011 ?
funny how many negative votes the truth will get you
The truth, and perspective. Don't come to these here forums if you think different.
its funny you go over to the android forums, they think siri is a copy of software android already has.
Wait, you mean to tell me that Apple didn't develop Siri from the ground up? You mean that Steve didn't say one day, "I'd really like to talk to my phone Star Trek style," then have his engineers get working on it right away from SCRATCH?
I'm assuming it's already been covered yet again in the 200+ posts since this, but thought I'd respond since it was partly to me. Apple paid Xerox to see/use their GUI, and the courts agreed. That is the fact. Payment is not theft.
And critical thinking? Please.
Windows was nothing more than DOSSHELL in prettier clothing at first. That's why Apple couldn't win their lawsuit against M$, it actually didn't copy Mac OS enough, bad timing on their lawsuit. Petty fools that would rather tinker with computers, whether hardware or software, than do anything else gave Win 3.1 a huge following, because it gave them something to do. In 1980, there was no CIO or CTO of any organization, large IT departments were created out of the need to keep Win running, and now they exist as they are today. These are people that don't actually DO anything for a company, just fix tech problems. Yet they whine and whine about how actual USERs use computers.
Even mainframes of that era needed fewer IT guys to keep them running, and those were generally proprietary nightmares. And you needed about 1 Mac IT guy for every 10 Win IT guys, for the same number of computers.
I wonder what would happen if we follow the drug companies model. If you spend billions making say the iphone then copiers/ generic versions cant enter the market for x number of years. That way one rewards innovation and forces the competition to innovate instead of being another cheap rip off. Right now its look at what company A does and then copy the heck out of it
A smartphone is commonly (and was commonly at the time) defined as a phone that supports data connection and transfer and could be extended through 3rd party applications.
The iPhone failed the "3rd party applications" test on launch being limited to web applications which were in and of themselves quite limited in what they could accomplish (prior to the whole HTML5 movement, no WebSockets, no local storage, no offline support, no rich UI capabilities).
Sorry but you're still wrong. The Android UI is a copy. There is no doubt about that. Android started life as a non touch based operating system. As soon as the iphone was announced they changed it. Of course there are architectual differences like in any software. Just like Windows was different than MAC OS. The fact is the UI was stolen.
Microsoft has shown there are other ways of doing a mobile touch based UI. And i appluad them for that. Google did in fact copy the UI and you cannot deny that.
Microsoft has shown there are other ways of doing a mobile touch based UI. And i appluad them for that. Google did in fact copy the UI and you cannot deny that.
It did ? Funny, this is Android today :
Doesn't look like anything's changed to me really. Are you perchance mistaking Android for something it's not ? Android is a piece of software that is adaptable and can run off many different hardware configurations, be it slider phones, flip phones, "slab" phones (a la iPhone and LG Prada and P900/P800 from SE that date from 2003) or these good old trusty "Blackberry" phones.
Android is not a copy of iPhone. Nor is it a copy of iOS really. If we compare on a purely software basis, Android uses completely different paradigms than iOS in both UI (heavy widget use in the default UI to customize the home screens by the user) and core functionality (reliance on a VM to run compiled bytecode instead of machine code being executed natively, which makes it more portable accross CPU architectures if someone wanted to make a phone out of something other than ARM).
Both projects have their own merits. Android had/has multi-tasking, copy/paste, better notifications and widgets that iOS lacked/still lacks. iOS had the snazzy HW accelerated UI which Android still lacks.
To claim one is better and that the other is a copy and should be destroyed is just closed mindedness. There's plenty of room in the industry for both.
I'm up to page 4 in this thread and already my head is hurting from all the crap I'm reading from people who obviously have such a heavy and tainted bias and again, take the words of Steve Jobs and carry the torch off to some imaginary war.
If that was the case there would be no iphone, since smartphones were created prior to it.
Technology innovates off of other technology to grow. Android has taken from apple, apple has taken from android, both have taken from blackberry, palm, and so on.
One is not a rip off of another, and each has its own merits. If you prefer one that is fine, that doesn't mean the rest is garbage.
Believe me, I had to stop myself several times from getting swept up in the usual Page 1 mess. Once more, one man sadly tends to bring out the worst in people.
I then realized that this was a book, I get books for free from the library, and people get angry when I get my media for free.
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I don't blame him. From his perspective where he watched all his ideas and hard work come to fruition in a product that took off the way it did, its very understanding that he would be infuriated to see what Android stole from his platform:
Intuitive finger based Touch Interface, Inertial Scrolling, multi-touch gesture interface, a REAL virtual keyboard with self correcting algorithms, first real mobile web browser (Webkit), quality of apps to take mobile computing to the next level, the complete omission of other input methods (trackball, optical pad, stylus, excess buttons, hard keyboard. etc.) which moved touch computing forward faster, etc. We have become so accustomed to these things on cell phones we dont even recognize them as innovations anymore and what impact they had. These were ALL profound leaps that were implemented into Android as soon as Google got word of the iphone...before it was a Blackberry/Treo copy. Honestly go look at prototype Android n read the comments. Anyone remember zoom buttons or menu>zoom>menu>zoom>menu>...WTF! Glad to be out of that. A notification drawer that pulls down is a touch based input that allowed for that to work, which goes back to who REALLY made touch input possible.
http://gizmodo.com/334909/google-android-prototype-in-the-wild
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FJHYqE0RDg (thank the iphone)
Intuitive finger based Touch Interface, Inertial Scrolling, multi-touch gesture interface, a REAL virtual keyboard with self correcting algorithms, first real mobile web browser (Webkit), quality of apps to take mobile computing to the next level, the complete omission of other input methods (trackball, optical pad, stylus, excess buttons, hard keyboard. etc.) which moved touch computing forward faster, etc. We have become so accustomed to these things on cell phones we dont even recognize them as innovations anymore and what impact they had. These were ALL profound leaps that were implemented into Android as soon as Google got word of the iphone...before it was a Blackberry/Treo copy. Honestly go look at prototype Android n read the comments. Anyone remember zoom buttons or menu>zoom>menu>zoom>menu>...WTF! Glad to be out of that. A notification drawer that pulls down is a touch based input that allowed for that to work, which goes back to who REALLY made touch input possible.
http://gizmodo.com/334909/google-android-prototype-in-the-wild
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FJHYqE0RDg (thank the iphone)
iAds haven't been an overwhelming success either. Apple had to reduce the pricing to make it more attractive to potential customers.
As smartphones over all ( not just iPhones ) have become more popular so mobile ad revenues have increased.
Which part of the UI ? The home screen ? The lock screen ? The unlock gestures ? The icons ? Throw us a bone here. If there is no doubt, you shouldn't have problems doing it.
It did ? And they copied this touch from whom ? Sony Ericsson's P800 ?
What did they change ?
I don't see how Android stole the Springboard UI.
Agreed 100% across the board.
The users on these forums will just continue to lack any real notion about what's going on in the tech world unless it revolves around Apple. It's one thing to pick up a piece of technology knowing it's limitations and advantages; it's another to pick it up solely because someone told you to do so.
The first iPhone was a perfect example. My Treo 600 smashed that phone in features, but it's UI was terrible. I'd kill for an iPhone back then, but I am spoiled by phones that actually do things, like send SMSs, so I stuck it out with the Treos then went to Android.
The iPhone really didn't become a smartphone until the App Store and standard smartphone features like SMS, and filesharing came into the picture either by jailbreaking or by being unleashed by Apple.
The iPhone will be my next phone (if they put a bigger screen on it) but I would NEVER say that Android is anything less than a worthy competitor.
I agree.
Because true Apple haters are idiots. They do not know what they are talking about and they believe that they are technical/gadget/computing enthusiasts, but they irrationally hate Apple for reasons that they can not quite explain without spouting urban legends that they have heard.
I am a tech enthusiast because i use all platforms and I know about them all. iPhone 4S is probably the best phone (despite the fact that my phone is a Samsung GS2, which is pretty awesome as well), I love my iPad, my Macs, my Windows systems, and my Linux systems.
The people with illogical hate for Apple are morons.
Because true Apple haters are idiots. They do not know what they are talking about and they believe that they are technical/gadget/computing enthusiasts, but they irrationally hate Apple for reasons that they can not quite explain without spouting urban legends that they have heard.
I am a tech enthusiast because i use all platforms and I know about them all. iPhone 4S is probably the best phone (despite the fact that my phone is a Samsung GS2, which is pretty awesome as well), I love my iPad, my Macs, my Windows systems, and my Linux systems.
The people with illogical hate for Apple are morons.
I'll just leave these here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada_(KE850)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mobile
The grid layout of Android may or may not be a "copy" of the iPhone, but Apple and iOS hardly invented the grid of icons layout. Even the old windows phones, beneath that sort of "desktop", have the icon grid layout for apps and settings. What Apple did get right was using a touchscreen that is insanely responsive.
If by "Stole" you mean "Paid for with Stock," then you're right.
Seriously, I wish this would stop getting passes around. Apple paid for Xerox's ideas very handsomely.
People keep saying this. I'm not certain I understand how it is true. The claim is it will adjust recommendations over time based on preferences, but i'm not certain that makes it AI. My understanding of AI is that it is something that grows and thinks for itself. Am I mistaken?
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Truthfully, it saddens me to know and hear that this one certain man was again a person that could have used his influence to change so much, but instead changed the tech world and therefore changed ONLY how people spend their money.
I am very glad that he donated often at the very least.
Good to see you mentioning Springboard, which (having been proved many times) isn't even something that originated on the Newton.
True, and I am very glad to see that most of those types of people aren't here writing now. Just the ones that are tech lovers with perspectives. Saying that Android isn't a copy doesn't mean that I hate the living &**) out of iOS. Anyone that has an illogical hate for anything is more than a moron, they are dangerous.