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Oh, I agree. Ask *LTD* about it sometime though. He seems to think Intel is holding Apple back.
Uh ? ARM is in plenty of full computers. A full computer is quite a simple device, one that :
Takes input, processes it according to a set of instructions and provides output and storage.
That is the definition of a computer. Yes, it encompasses tons of things, from your car's ECU, to the microcontroller on your microwave, to your scientific pocket calculator with memory to iPads and iPhones to full fledged PCs and even going as high as mainframes, blade systems and other high end boxes.
No, because in this forum, a lot of folks like to claim iPads and iPhones aren't computers.
You never know who is one of those folks who don't actually understand what a computer is and isn't.
If you meant there are no ARM PC (as in desktops/laptops), you're partly right, if you don't count the few ARM netbooks out there.
No, because in this forum, a lot of folks like to claim iPads and iPhones aren't computers.
You never know who is one of those folks who don't actually understand what a computer is and isn't.
If you meant there are no ARM PC (as in desktops/laptops), you're partly right, if you don't count the few ARM netbooks out there.
And I'm one of them. In a debate about whether the iPad is a computer, the context makes clear that "something that processes" is not the definition of computer we're using (and words can indeed have multiple definitions). If the iPad is a computer, so is my TI-8fricking9, at which point you're just being obtuse about the discussion. *LTD* can't wait for ARM to replace core i chips in MacBooks and iMacs, as I'm sure you're aware.
Your TI-89 is a computer. Let's not go around claiming only PCs are computers, that's just insane.
No, if you want to discuss ARM's capabilities as far as PCs go, well it seems some people have visions of ARM based servers with the next revision of the architecture :
http://forwardthinking.pcmag.com/ch...t-gen-cores-ascend-to-64-bit#fbid=MUDRPiiGoqK
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/242935/hps_first_arm_server_for_testing_only.html
As for PCs, it seems some people see ARM overtaking Intel's Atom in netbooks in 2012 :
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ARM-Atom-Netbooks,7242.html
Will ARM ever replace Core i7s though ? Who knows, short term I agree with you that it won't, but to claim ARM processors are not found in "computers" is quite ludicrous for what is a central processing unit (one of the 4 blocks in a "computer").
Your TI-8frickin9 has a processor, memory, and IO, so according to the Turing model, it is a computer.
Let's not go around claiming my TI-89 isn't a PC then - it's a personal device, and by your definition, a computer. I will repeat: there are multiple definitions to words, and it is not unreasonable to use "computer" to mean a full-blown laptop or desktop. There's no end to this debate, though, so I'm done with it.
Sure, it's a pc, but it's not a PC (as in, IBM Compatible PC. Heck, Macs aren't PCs either by the true meaning of the acronym
).Sure, you can use computer to mean that, but don't go saying something isn't a computer without defining what type of computer you mean. Because desktops/laptops are a small subset of computers.
And again, your statement is only true if you don't count netbooks which are in essence, smaller laptops.
A subset is not a "different definition". It's a subset. You don't go around claiming "cars" means the Ford Focus and saying Subaru doesn't make "cars".
Don't be obtuse, sir. Do you want a list? The interface layout, the navigation technique, the basic design as a whole (which had not been seen before, so don't start with the old rhetoric of 'hurrr, it's a generic design/interface').
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Yes; industrial grand theft; therefore, the company that created that new product that had inherent innovations in terms of navigation and interface layout, would logically have every right (morally and ethically) to pursue relentlessly the company that wronged them. You can't compromise on something like this; it's theft, pure and simple. It doesn't take a forensics expert to see what was out before the iPhone, and then compare the marketplace afterwards. You either have to be a real Apple hater or Fandroid to not see this (there is a tertiary option, but it could be construed as offensive).
You know, it's like you'll have the same discussion 10 times in a row, and it's still not enough. People keep bringing up the same tired old bullet points over and over and over again. It kinda wears on you after awhile.
Read through the thread, guy. You'll see all the arguments you've just made have long since been disputed and proven wrong.
Read through the thread, guy. You'll see all the arguments you've just made have long since been disputed and proven wrong.
Interface layout? Android's home screen looks different then iOS'. If you're talking about Multitouch gestures, Apple didn't invent it. Navigation technique? You mean iOS Maps? Which is basically Google Maps... The design as a whole? Android isn't a phone.
The interface layout? You need to be more specific. The grid of icons? The set of locked icons on the bottom? None of these is new to the iPhone. Nothing in iOS is actually particularly original, interface-wise.
Navigation technique? What exactly? Pages of icons, which isn't even the main interface in Android?
The design? Like the other touchscreen slab phones that came before it? Their lack of sales volume doesn't mean the iPhone invented the slab touchscreen, or that it isn't an obvious formfactor given the technology that was becoming available at the time.
So, got any more specifics, like any that might stand up to the most rudimentary of examination?
There were lots of touch based OS the problem is they were all POS. If you are correct then why did it take 2 years for any competitors to develop a phone that compete in the market place. The iPhone buyers flocked to it because there was nothing even close to it and it continues to improve even after you buy it. I was always looking for the best phone and owned many very expensive phones to have the best features. They just were complicated to use any of the features. Then the iPhone came out. I don't care what you haters try to say. If there was a comparable phone back then, I would have bought it. There wasn't. Google's Android platform offered nothing worth even noting back then. They didn't even have at touch platform to even show. Even with 7 months between when apple showed their phone for the first time and the actual release, not even Google had anything comparable, but not you say their interface that is just like Apple's was the same then. WOW!!! You people suck!
Oh, so sorry; I assumed it was obvious and common knowledge to those without an agenda/agendum. I really don't have time to write a multiple page post atm, I have coding and work to get to. Just looking through your other posts on completely separate topics however, it's obvious to me that you have a fandroid agenda and are actually even debating against the position that the iPad is a computer. I couldn't help but chuckle at that immense vacuousness.
Computer: an electronic device for storing and processing data, typically in binary form, according to instructions given to it in a variable program.
Hate to break it to you fandroid, but the iPad, iPhone and even iPods fall under that definition, and it isn't up to your subjective interpretation to determine otherwise.
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I just ignore vacuous delinquents; I just decided to take note of your previous post, and I really can't be bothered answering comments founded in ignorance. And btw, I'm currently in the middle of doing a BSc majoring in computer science and physics, and I can say with 100% certainty that I know a hell of a lot more than you on any of the topics discussed at length in this forum (the topics that I bother to post on). So, if you want to make cheap ad hominem attacks about someone's earlier life that you know nothing about, simply used to distract and offend, go ahead. From you, it really couldn't mean less.
Never knew navigating from left to right with your finger was Apple's idea first. It isn't. If it was, it would've been patented.
But it wasn't: https://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/26/apple-denied-trademark-for-multi-touch/
Icon Layout: Apple wasn't the first to use that kind of layout. Also, on Android, that kind of layout is used for apps only and not the whole device like , unlike iOS where your home screen is basically just apps.
I agree that iPhone was the first phone with multitouch, but just because Android uses it does it mean that it copied it. Apple innovated the phone. Which means that the phone market use that innovation. So that doesn't mean they copied Apple.
Also, a comment on your picture. A tablet is basically a screen.....a screen usually has a black bezel around it. Rounded corners are better. And of course, Apple wasn't the first to think of that design for the iPad.
Also, Samsung is innovative with their flexible screens coming out next year. They probably are more innovative than Apple since they make chips, TV's, Laptops, Phones, Screens, etc.
Also, found a link proving that Apple didn't have pinch-to-zoom first: http://gizmodo.com/213016/fics-linux+based-smartphone
But it wasn't: https://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/26/apple-denied-trademark-for-multi-touch/
Icon Layout: Apple wasn't the first to use that kind of layout. Also, on Android, that kind of layout is used for apps only and not the whole device like , unlike iOS where your home screen is basically just apps.
I agree that iPhone was the first phone with multitouch, but just because Android uses it does it mean that it copied it. Apple innovated the phone. Which means that the phone market use that innovation. So that doesn't mean they copied Apple.
Also, a comment on your picture. A tablet is basically a screen.....a screen usually has a black bezel around it. Rounded corners are better. And of course, Apple wasn't the first to think of that design for the iPad.
Also, Samsung is innovative with their flexible screens coming out next year. They probably are more innovative than Apple since they make chips, TV's, Laptops, Phones, Screens, etc.
Also, found a link proving that Apple didn't have pinch-to-zoom first: http://gizmodo.com/213016/fics-linux+based-smartphone
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It should also be noted now that I am, in fact, the goddamn king of the universe. I know more about everything than anyone, and take pity upon the poor fools who try to best me in an argument against anything whatsoever.
Okay. I've had my fun. Your post has absolutely no merit whatsoever, and you're annoying. Try again when you actually have an argument to fall back upon.
Meet the LG Prada KE850 :
Yes I DO want a list, like this list.
(a) Interface layout :
- Dock with 4 app icons at the bottom. Check.
- Application grid with icons. Check.
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(b) Navigation technique :
- Swipe your finger to scroll. Check.
- Touch an icon to launch an app. Check.
- Moving an object around screen by keeping the finger on it and move the finger. Check.
(c) Basic design :
- Slab form design. Check.
- Front area is dominated by a touch screen, main color is black with a white metallic color edge, a multi purpose hardware button right in the middle, bottom of the screen. Check, check and check.
- Rear camera at the upper left corner. Check.
- Touch screen is capacitive. OMG, check.
And despite the default theme is black and white, the Prada DID have color themes installed.
And this is timeline of the LG Prada :
- First announced Dec 12 2006.
- First images leaked online Dec 15 2006.
- Official press released Jan 18 2007.
All in all, six to seven months before iPhone.
A dedicated LG fanboy could totally say that Apple just removed some hardware button, enlarged another, rounded the edge, replaced the rearcover and basically copied/modified the whole of Prada's design and UI. And I think it'd not be too far from the truth, what say you?
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Yo my man, between the time I spent defending random company/product in fanatic forums and browsing exquisite p0rn sites
I'm also teaching theoretical physics and nebulous fields of modern mathematics - basically serious complicated ****s - at several of the most prestigious institutes in the world. Does that make me more credible to you ?
Ah, and then you're the one accusing others of ad hominem attacks and haters.
Well, is better ignore fanatics like you
Uh ? The interface for Android uses widgets and freely moveable icons. You can have everything from weather to SMS to contacts displayed on your homescreen. How is that "layout" ripped off from iOS exactly ?
Which one ? The one where you press a button and something happens ? The one where you select and icon and activate it and again, it does something ? The one where you scroll for pages that are bigger than what can be displayed on screen ?
Basically the whole idea of navigating a GUI as we've been doing since GUIs have existed ?
Ugh...
What design are you talking about ? The hardware's ? Android is not hardware, so that can't be it. The software ?
Design choices for Android :
- VM based, bytecode software that is JIT compiled at run-time
- Customizable system components for a UI that is diversified and can be inconsistent device to device
- Use of extensibility, mostly storage extensibility to store app data and applications
Design choices for iOS :
- native compiled code that runs in a sandboxed environnement.
- Strict UI that permits little to no customizability in order to maximize consistency accross devices.
- Strict hardware platform that is not extensible to simplify management.
So what do you mean by "design" ? Seems to me both platforms were "designed" with different goals in mind and used different components to achieve their goals.
Which is hardly the first phone using the "slab" form factor. Meet the SE P800 :
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