Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
People buy Apple products on Amazon? B&H has better deals, correct?

Its not just new Apple products, its everything old including old ipods like the nano, mini, or classic and all Apple accessories such as old discontinued keyboards etc.....
 
My old company got on that list, if we went to Apple.com and placed an order, we would be rejected.

My guess is that this is untrue, but if we take that it is true I bet you’re old company deserved it. People do get blocked from businesses and when that happens they often went above and beyond being terrible to employees. My hospital has a list of blacklisted people who are banned from getting service because they abused the staff one to many times.

Who sells car as refurbished? It would be used car still.

People refurbish cars all the time. To be fair I only recall seeing it used for classic cars.
 
Last edited:
If Amazon sells any item as "refurbished", then not allowing refurbished Apple laptops to be sold, because Apple says "No.", is actionable.
 
Amazon does plenty of shady things that deserve scorn. This isn't one of them. Partnering with the OEM to ensure the highest quality products is a very good thing. Those who are price conscious have plenty of options where they can roll the proverbial dice and hope to get a legit product. Ditto sellers.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Glideslope
No, actually we were (probably still are, I haven't worked there in a while) a milti-million dollar company who occasionally used Apple's hardware in areas that were customer visible, due to it looking nicer than competitors - Dell, HP, etc. Our contracts were with universities and government orgs. I think we had a military contract or two at one point... Hardly in violation of export law.

Regarding using "crap" products. That may be, but simply taking a working fan from a broken mac, and putting it into a different mac, would be in violation of the agreement. I agree that there's no reason to call a franken-mac a certified mac, or even pretend that it is, but there's no reason to outright ban them either. For products not sold through Amazon, it becomes an Buyer/Seller issue, where Amazon will simply make the buyer take the item back if it doesn't work.

So, if your mom went to the Apple store to get her Mac fan replaced & they took one that “seemed alright” from a junked old Mac in a back room; then charged her... you’d have no issue??
I’ve worked for universities & government organizations... NONE of them do half-assed computer repairs using old/untested parts!
The fact that you were “legally handcuffed” into not practicing what I would consider a shady manner, is probably one of the reasons your company got the job!
Your comment is silly.
 
  • Like
Reactions: MEJHarrison
Well, I'm assuming Wal Mart vets every vendor that they resell. Apple has a review process for their apps.

I'm not sure why Amazon shouldn't have to review vendors that resell through them, particularly ones selling items approaching or exceeding $1,000.

If you are going to create a beast of a revenue machine, you should have the tools in place to vet the products you are selling.

THE CORE of the issue is Amazon's review system comingles all sellers of any item. This is where eBay is much different (and better).

**** amazon, I quit using them and don't miss it at all. I buy less stuff now and don't have to deal with **** products.


I'm currently trying to pickup a refurbished SE. The third replacement should be here on monday. Going through Amazon's 'certified renewed apple vendors' the first phone had a broken power button/sleep and was unusable. The replacement for that one had a broken proximity sensor, touchscreen that only sometimes worked, and a 'wobbly' home button. When I called in to return that one the customer service person suggested I get a refund and try buying it again from a different seller rather than a replacement.

We'll see what's wrong with the replacement for the replacement next week, but it seems like there is a decent amount of fraud/shoddy work Amazon is willing to put up with from their 'certified vendors' in order to keep the selling volume up.
 
Last edited:
It was reported sellers have moved over to Walmart, eBay or Etsy.

So where’s the antitrust issue? Amazon is not the only online marketplace and sellers have many choices where to sell their goods.

No antitrust trust here. Just certain elements using the power of the federal government minimize Amazon at any opportunity. :apple:
 
Limiting used sales is definitely an issue. However, Amazon and Apple restricting who can sell the new product is needed and a must.

I work for a company who is an authorized seller for several brands. Listings turn in to the Wild Wild West without this type of control by 1) Amazon and 2) the brands themselves. All the lack of limitations do is hurt the consumer. Customers tend to go with the lowest price, but that lowest price is usually from the unauthorized sellers.
 
If you live outside of NY, I believe there is no tax on purchases from Adorama and B&H.

I bought a 5K iMac from Adorama (the original one) and got free shipping and no sales tax.

Of course, you’re supposed to report that at the end of the year.
Amazon is starting, or has started charging sales tax in certain states. NJ is one of these states. BH I agree with.
 
I get why resellers are complaining, but I also think think brand protection is the primary motivator for Apple in this case. It's common for people to have eBay-like bad experiences when purchasing from Amazon third-party sellers, and I don't think consumers always realize that the "good price" they are getting on an Apple device from Amazon is coming from a third party like they might more obviously realize from eBay.

A good non-Apple example of this is shopping for Ubiquiti UniFi devices on Amazon. The contrast is drastically apparent between what you'll find on Amazon through third parties and what you'll find from an authorized seller like BHPhoto. Amazon becomes a "shop at your own risk" experience, which consumers might not realize, again, like they might if they go looking on eBay. I wouldn't be surprised if a company like Ubiquiti isn't always thinking it would be nice to set up an arrangement with Amazon like Apple has done.

I'm not quite sure if its "brand protection" because if it is why just now!? They could have done it along time ago.

Now that Apple-Amazon has a business deal happening and this is happening too. Apple has a track record of muscling out their retailers and this might be the case. I've read somewhere, I cant remember where, they require telcos to sell some Apple products so that they can also sell iPhones.
 
Last time I checked that's referred as restoring not refurbishing.

I thought restoring was using original parts while refurbishing was using new parts. I guess if you are scrapping parts from old cars than it would be restoring.
 
Since then, independent sellers have been required to apply for Apple Authorized Reseller status and the Amazon Renewed program to continue to offer used or refurbished Apple products on Amazon, but this is not always feasible due to hefty requirements outlined by The Verge earlier this year:

What do you expect, typical Apple abusing its market power.
[doublepost=1564824854][/doublepost]
So you were not an authorized reseller then, and were not in compliance with Apple's programs. Why does Amazon owe you a spot in their store?
Who made Apple judge, jury and executioner?
That is not how fair trade is made.
 
People buy Apple products on Amazon? B&H has better deals, correct?
Can't speak for the rest of the world , but here in the UK most Apple products are cheaper on Amazon than the official Apple store.

eg

upload_2019-8-3_13-6-15.png
 
Amazon is starting, or has started charging sales tax in certain states. NJ is one of these states. BH I agree with.
I believe the rule was (and may still be) you can charge sales tax at the time of purchase if you have a physical presence in that state. If that’s still the rule, it makes sense Amazon’s ability to charge sales tax would increase as they put warehouses and facilities in each state. There was a US Supreme Court decision two terms ago that might have modified or changed that rule.

Or I could be waaaaayyyy off or mildly off. I find most tax law to be tedious and I don’t follow it all that closely, except come tax time.

Anyway, I do think we’re going to get to a point soon where the deals B&H or Adorama offer will become obsolete and you’ll have to pay sales tax with every purchase. There’s just too much revenue for states to leave on the table.
 
What do you expect, typical Apple abusing its market power.
By protecting the consumer from shady operators?
Who made Apple judge, jury and executioner?
That is not how fair trade is made.
Even if you don’t see or agree, it benefits all involved to have sales from authorized sellers, IMO.
 
By protecting the consumer from shady operators?

Even if you don’t see or agree, it benefits all involved to have sales from authorized sellers, IMO.

Think about this from a business standpoint—-who gets the blame for problems with machines or repairs from sketchy third parties? Apple gets the blame.

Apple has one of the most powerful brands in the world—-they need to protect it.
 
By protecting the consumer from shady operators?

Even if you don’t see or agree, it benefits all involved to have sales from authorized sellers, IMO.
The authorized sellers have to be clearly indicated. If somebody wants to buy from someone else, it is their problem. They are not all shady.
[doublepost=1564843175][/doublepost]
Think about this from a business standpoint—-who gets the blame for problems with machines or repairs from sketchy third parties? Apple gets the blame.

Apple has one of the most powerful brands in the world—-they need to protect it.
Why would Apple get the blame? They did not buy a new or certified machine.
 
The authorized sellers have to be clearly indicated. If somebody wants to buy from someone else, it is their problem. They are not all shady.
[doublepost=1564843175][/doublepost]
Why would Apple get the blame? They did not buy a new or certified machine.
That is correct. But people tend to blame Apple; not the reseller. Or they associate a bad experience with Apple.

It’s not right, it’s not fair, but thats way it is.

Apple, as a brand, wants to control customers’ entire experience with the brand.

I bet eBay drives them nuts.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.