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I wonder what effect this will have?
As posted on Apple Insider
If the injunction is granted it could cause Apple to take action in several ways;
1) Apple could launch a lawsuit against Intel and or Transmeta for disruption harmful to a business.
2) Apple could move to a different CPU vendor (I've speculated before on this topic but for different reasons)
Sopranino
As posted on Apple Insider
If the injunction is granted it could cause Apple to take action in several ways;
1) Apple could launch a lawsuit against Intel and or Transmeta for disruption harmful to a business.
2) Apple could move to a different CPU vendor (I've speculated before on this topic but for different reasons)
Sopranino
They've typically been around 6am Pacific (9am Eastern), but this obviously proves that Apple can and will deviate when they feel like it.
Sopranino said:
Or the entire PC industry could back Intel to remove the injunction during any court procedings. Transmeta would make many enemies.
ThunderLounge said:
The store didn't go down for this one. I still think major products for which the store has to go down occur at 6am Pacific, but small additions to the store that do not require the store to go down can basically happen at any time at all.
Sopranino said:
True, but I seriously doubt that such an injunction would be granted. I mean, the consequences are so widespread that it would literally shutdown the marketplace with Intel chips from PIII and up. The only saving face would be systems that have (or could have) AMD's inside.
While it is technically a possibility that some whacko judge could grant it, I just don't see it as likely. If it did, I would hate to be the guy that signs it. He's going to need the Federal Witness Protection Program, and even then that might not save his butt.
maverick808 said:
Could be. Unless that was one of the little things added into the store during recently reported down times where the store came back up without any visible changes. While I don't know how apple is coding their backend, it wouldn't be out of the question for them to code in a change that did something like check the current time, and make a switch in an area.
Something like
if time >= this specific time, lock the db and import this change.
Although, I probably wouldn't trust it for big updates, as you mention. It would just make sense for a bigger product change to be able to verify it before sending it to the masses.
ThunderLounge said:
True! However historically, temporary injunctions seem to be quite common in patent infringement cases. As well Whacko Judges or judgements also seem to occur in these kind of cases. (witness the recent case and ruling against RIM).
For some reason patent cases have a fair amount of weight/importance in the judicial system.
Sopranino
dsleep said:
Is there any reason the MBP can't have both a great GPU and integrated graphics for battery life?
I mean, as far as I know integrated graphics cost next to nothing and are incorporated into the chipset rather than taking PCIe slots. The MBP could have both, and when told to conserve power switch to integrated graphics to offer a great battery life, but also have a GPU for when plugged in or power is needed.
Sopranino said:
That is true. But then again, the ramifications would be insane. Temporary or not.
However if their evidence is very strong, or in such a consequential case extremely strong, maybe it isn't as far out of the question.
The results of it, even temporarily, are unfathomable.
If it gets heard before the holiday shopping season... can you imagine the hits that would be taken in all sectors if they had to pull anything with a PIII or higher chip off the shelves? Nuts. Plain nuts.
I doubt this could be linked to the current delay, as Intel probably didn't see it coming or as a big threat, but the overall impact on the update cycle could be affected if it sees any kind of light soon.
Makes me wonder if any of the manufacturers, not just Apple, have any sort of "the sky is falling" contengency plan for such an occasion.
Although, I still kind of think that a complete halt would be unlikely simply from the overall effect it would have. It might be more likely that until it's argued out that they make Intel set aside $X amount per processor sold in a seperate bank account as a "licensing fee". If nothing comes of it, then Intel gets their money back, plus the interest. But who knows, as you and I agree, since all it takes is one whacko judge.
Manic Mouse said:
In the low end, or as a downgrade option, maybe. Although I'm not an engineer, so it might not be possible to do both.
It might be more likely to see a lower end GPU as a downgrade, with a middle selection as default, and then a higher end as an upgrade?
ThunderLounge said:
I'm pretty sure I've heard about a Sony laptop that offered both, but I'm not entirely sure...
Article from hardmac.com: Where are the MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo?
Article from hardmac.com:
- Where are the MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo? - Lionel - 13:30:08 - Comments
For weeks the hottest topics on our French forums have been those dealing with a potential MacBook Pro update. Everyone seems to be growing impatient, and with a reason.
Most laptopc PC brands already made or annonunced their upgrades, while MBP stocks have become all but virtual among gross resellers. Only the online Apple Store still announces a 24h delay out of factory.
Meanwhile, some spare parts became totally unavailable from Apple, which includes mere MacBook Pro top cases, though no leak related to this part could occur for this sudden depletion.
Really looks like Apple just recalled all those parts only to be able to go on producing those machines. Might only be an impression, of course.
Anyway it looks like something came and delayed this upgrade to a new line.
It might simply be related to this Airport issue affecting the iMac and MacBook Pro lines. If this problem is already unacceptable on a desktop machine, it will be simply untolerable for a laptop.
We shouldn't complain anyway of any last minute delay. With the first line of Intel based Apple laptops we've had more than our share of problems to deal with, and we're not eager to have once again so much machines to send back for repairs on rev. B. It seems that Apple neither is.
[translation by Kalomir]
http://www.hardmac.com/news/
Article from hardmac.com:
- Where are the MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo? - Lionel - 13:30:08 - Comments
For weeks the hottest topics on our French forums have been those dealing with a potential MacBook Pro update. Everyone seems to be growing impatient, and with a reason.
Most laptopc PC brands already made or annonunced their upgrades, while MBP stocks have become all but virtual among gross resellers. Only the online Apple Store still announces a 24h delay out of factory.
Meanwhile, some spare parts became totally unavailable from Apple, which includes mere MacBook Pro top cases, though no leak related to this part could occur for this sudden depletion.
Really looks like Apple just recalled all those parts only to be able to go on producing those machines. Might only be an impression, of course.
Anyway it looks like something came and delayed this upgrade to a new line.
It might simply be related to this Airport issue affecting the iMac and MacBook Pro lines. If this problem is already unacceptable on a desktop machine, it will be simply untolerable for a laptop.
We shouldn't complain anyway of any last minute delay. With the first line of Intel based Apple laptops we've had more than our share of problems to deal with, and we're not eager to have once again so much machines to send back for repairs on rev. B. It seems that Apple neither is.
[translation by Kalomir]
http://www.hardmac.com/news/
ThunderLounge said:
Very nicely put!
I completely agree with your statements on this matter.
I'm left wondering exactly what the ""sky is falling" contingency plan" might be as this could have a major impact on Apples release plans.
Sopranino
Sopranino said:
Thanks.
To me, it would make sense to at least have some sort of plan as a back-up. I run a business, and I have back-up plans for all kinds of possibilities. If you read some of them, you'd probably ask me what I was on. Most of them are simply on paper, and not immediately actionable, but at least there is something on the drawing board just in case.
Then again, as my wige keeps bringing up from time to time, I also said 5 years ago, "Gas over $1.50 in the next couple of years? Yeah, OK. Not happening for any extended period of time!"
Oops!
Of course, it was about a buck or a little under at the time too. Who knew? The whole topic came up when I told her we were moving back to the country, about an hour away from where I was working then, and we were estimating for new costs and savings.
So that was kind of off topic, but not completely. Point being, you never know what's going to happen and if you can at least have some sort of plan you might need it one day.
Whether or not that would mean Apple has a super top-secret motherboard/design just in case Intel up and closed up shop overnight is a whole different ball of wax though.
Thats why you sue now. Intel has to make a hard decision, pay the licensing fees and make the problem go away or fight it out in court where they could lose the season.
If there is any merit in this case or if the judge/jury actually place an injunction on the product there will probably be a payoff.
If there is any merit in this case or if the judge/jury actually place an injunction on the product there will probably be a payoff.
The backup plan is AMD, obviously. But this farce of a suit won't go through anyway, so it's moot.
RAID0 increases linear transfer rate but hurts access times a bit. In usual desktop-stuff, access times are far more important than linear transfer rate (except when you plan to do massive video editing on that drive).Multimedia said:
I really hope that Apple goes for the Hitachi 5k160 and not Seagate's or Toshiba's 160gb drives. The 5k160 would be the only drive keeping me from getting a 7200rpm drive again since it's almost as fast as one.
Move out of the 'States?
Maybe they, i.e. all manufacturers, could simply move out of the 'States with it's rather silly software patent rules and lawyers. Out of jurisdiction = out of reach of the money grabbers.
Can't see "the big W" and his mates allowing this - they (and his daddy) have probably all got shares in hi-tec organisations, so wouldn't want to see them devalued.
Oops, a tad too political for this forum
ThunderLounge said:
Maybe they, i.e. all manufacturers, could simply move out of the 'States with it's rather silly software patent rules and lawyers. Out of jurisdiction = out of reach of the money grabbers.
Can't see "the big W" and his mates allowing this - they (and his daddy) have probably all got shares in hi-tec organisations, so wouldn't want to see them devalued.
Oops, a tad too political for this forum
This has been around for a while and what it says about the consistently higher operating temperatures of Merom is nothing new:
http://googled.wordpress.com/2006/08/26/merom-runs-hot-yonah-might-be-the-better-chip-for-notebooks/
Given that Yahoo MBP's are thought to be unacceptably hot, a chip swap with Merom might make for a truly unacceptably hot notebook computer.
Does this not suggest the high probability of a case redesign? At the very least it suggests a reworking of internal compotents to address cooling issues.
Is a chip swap simply out of the question in this upgrade?
http://googled.wordpress.com/2006/08/26/merom-runs-hot-yonah-might-be-the-better-chip-for-notebooks/
Given that Yahoo MBP's are thought to be unacceptably hot, a chip swap with Merom might make for a truly unacceptably hot notebook computer.
Does this not suggest the high probability of a case redesign? At the very least it suggests a reworking of internal compotents to address cooling issues.
Is a chip swap simply out of the question in this upgrade?